Tol-in-Gaurhoth (Isle of Werewolves)

[Formendacil]

Moving discussion of "when's the next game" to a thread non-participants of the last game are more likely to find it...


A consensus on the other thread seemed to be "a bit of a break, then in July."

So: sign-ups over the next 2-3 weeks with a game start somewhere around Sunday, July 5th in the evening for a Night 1 going into Monday the 6th sound good? Any Americans with Fourth of July plans should be emerging from them, then.

As to the ongoing discussion of modding: put me on the list of those willing to do it--and I do have the Ghost idea to play with... Do we have anyone who goes beyond WILLING into the realm of WANTS TO (i.e. right now?)

[Pitchwife]

Not right now, but I'm still mulling over the idea of a tweet-style game with limits to post length & amount which Rune suggested in the game before the last.

Somebody (I think G55?) came up with the idea that posts could only be so long as to fit into the box where you type them (apparently it's a fixed size across all platforms), and that would be a nice first step - but how keep people from just breaking their walls of text into smaller chunks?

I'm toying with the idea to have DL not at a fixed time but as a moving wall cutting off the Day when a given number of pages is reached - like, the first post/vote on the next page would still count (because you don't know in advance when the page is flipped), but all thereafter wouldn't until next Day.
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^this line marks what would be the maximal post length

It probably would be hell to mod (probably only doable with a co-mod, preferably in another time zone, so that one could keep an eye on the thread at all times and call DL) and quite a departure from our usual WW routines, but could be interesting I think (also would encourage early voting!)

What do y'all think?

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

What do y'all think?

I shall keep my post within the proscribed length as a test case.

I like both ideas, but my instincts say to keep them to separate games! Or you'll end up with a sextuple-posting wordsmith single-handedly ending Day 1 while analysing Form's suspicious Anti-Day-One tirade.

I definitely think some sort of length cap would make for an interesting game. I would incline, in addition to POST length (and I agree that using "the box" is a good yardstick for that) there should also be POST volume. Say... five posts per day? I don't know--that's picking a very arbitrary number, but I have no idea without putting a great deal more thought into it than a Sunday afternoon warrants what would be a "fair" number.

[Blind Guardian]

I don't like the idea of a post volume per Day because what if someone reveals and everyone but the Wolves have used up their posts? Maybe a post volume per hour would be better. That way you can prohibit the walls of texts while still allowing posts through the day.

I do have a question: does anyone know what makes the page flip? Is it the amount of posts on a page (ie every page has 20 posts) or the size of the physical pages (ie there can be 10 super long posts on one page and thirty tiny posts on another)? That would probably factor into deciding how many pages to allow in a Day (EVERYONE GET RID OF YOUR SIGNATURES!!!). If everyone is doing the minimum then there will be most posts on a page in one Day than if there are walls of text.

Problem: on my computer this post takes up half of the text box and on my phone it it's double the size of the text box.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I don't like the idea of a post volume per Day because what if someone reveals and everyone but the Wolves have used up their posts? Maybe a post volume per hour would be better. That way you can prohibit the walls of texts while still allowing posts through the day.

I do have a question: does anyone know what makes the page flip? Is it the amount of posts on a page (ie every page has 20 posts) or the size of the physical pages (ie there can be 10 super long posts on one page and thirty tiny posts on another)? That would probably factor into deciding how many pages to allow in a Day (EVERYONE GET RID OF YOUR SIGNATURES!!!). If everyone is doing the minimum then there will be most posts on a page in one Day than if there are walls of text.

Problem: on my computer this post takes up half of the text box and on my phone it it's double the size of the text box.

The pages flips are consistent: every page is 40 posts long. That's always been true across 15 years of computers and cellphones for me. As far as the text box goes, I don't know.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I don't like the idea of a post volume per Day because what if someone reveals and everyone but the Wolves have used up their posts? Maybe a post volume per hour would be better. That way you can prohibit the walls of texts while still allowing posts through the day.

Good point about unforeseen events and people being unable to react. As for posts per hour, I think enforcing that would be more of a hassle than it's all worth.


Since we're talking, BG, would you be interested in co-modding this with me? You said you'd like to mod, it could be a good way of getting your feet wet.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Problem: on my computer this post takes up half of the text box and on my phone it it's double the size of the text box.

Hmm, not good. I just played around with different resolutions on my laptop and the box scales accordingly (it also scales when you change the font size), so I guess it's a PC/phone problem.

Originally Posted by Formendacil

The pages flips are consistent: every page is 40 posts long. That's always been true across 15 years of computers and cellphones for me. As far as the text box goes, I don't know.

Thanks for the info!

[Kath]

In the game we just played, for my own personal interest, I tried to keep to G55's idea of no more than the box size for posts. I can't say it was a success.

However, I do think it would be a really interesting way to play. BG is right that the box sizes are really different on phone vs PC but perhaps a rule of something like if on PC then the box size and if on phone then two times the box size.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Good point about unforeseen events and people being unable to react. As for posts per hour, I think enforcing that would be more of a hassle than it's all worth.

Surely the reaction thing is part of the idea? "Ooh, I really want to reply to that accusation, but what if another one comes up that I need to respond to more...?" Plus of course, "You didn't think that was worth one of your posts, but you thought this was--?"
--This line is the bottom and width of my phone's text box--------

I think you'd need to say votes can be posted separately, to avoid 'oops I misccounted' issues. Possibly the vote post can ONLY contain a vote?

(I think the only objective standard for post lengths is character limits. EvenWordLimitsCanBeWorkedAround.)

hS

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Since we're talking, BG, would you be interested in co-modding this with me? You said you'd like to mod, it could be a good way of getting your feet wet

Yes on co mod!!!

Also would we count quoting people as part of our text box? or just link to the post al la

In Lotties post [url link]#22[/url link]...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Problem: on my computer this post takes up half of the text box and on my phone it it's double the size of the text box.

Oh that's weird! Maybe I was lucky, because they look about the same on mine phone, and my comouter doesn't change the resolution with size. Perhaps like Kath said, it could be a soft rule rather than a hard rule, and double the box on phones?

Personally I don't think I'm a fan of capping the post count, because I would much rather read 2 pages of banter to a mere few Walls of Text. However, it does throw an interesting twist to the game with post rationing. But I think combining both the post count and the post length cut off would be too much for one game, no? Unless the post count cut off is reasonably high.

[Loslote]

I think we could have everyone figure out what the equivalent to one computer text box is on their phones in the Admin thread before the game starts. I would almost suggest having post volume limits per, say, six hours, otherwise we'll have everyone saving their posts for the end of the Day and no one talking until like two hours before the deadline. But I think I'd agree with G55 and say that capping the post length would be enough for one game. I'm biased, though, I'm one of the people who tends to post a lot.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm biased, though, I'm one of the people who tends to post a lot.

Same here, I suppose. I revel is silly one liners, amd I kinda enjoy the nonesense banter from others too. I am happy to limit the content posts by size and number and frequency and whatever else, but too strict a rule makes you cut out the fun in case you need those posts for real stuff.

For quotes, I vote that they don't count in your post limit. Linking is an option but it's annoying to do on a computer and super annoying on a phone. Listing post number is also possible, but let's be honest, who is gonna go back and find the post every time to read it? Quoting is so much simpler. However, I agree that some experimentation should take place, quotes included.
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^ The one box boundary on my phone, including Lottie's quote. Happens to fit perfectly with what I was gonna say.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

This is all fine and dandy - I suggest (even after we come up with some starting rule about it) we try a "dry run posting" first somehow. Simulated dialogue. I'm sure practical issues will manifest themselves. For instance: quoting. People do it in normal games all the time. How would that relate to the length-limit rule? Is it excluded? Or should it be a game "don't quote anything, just point" (that might have its own funny consequences, but not sure if it is desirable. I can already see Wolves spinning "oh as XY said... y'know... over there...").

But overall I really like the idea. The text post window-sized length, as a guideline but not 100% exact rule, sounds good enough to me, accompanied by some post limit because yes, often the problem isn't so much the length of posts, but the amount. The post limit could be quite generous, but just as a fence against people who would post billion posts per Day if left unchecked.

But like BG said, I am not sure what we would do if somebody brought up accusations against someone who used up all their posts... but perhaps the idea would be that you aren't expected to reach the quota, so most people would use up like 75% of their quota and keep the rest until DL in case something came up.