Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Kath]

What is it with these sudden reveals at the end of a Day?! And the Hunter. It's been a while since I played, but isn't the idea generally to not lynch the Hunter, especially so early on, because of the risk of them taking down an innocent?

Originally Posted by Eonwe

My suspicions haven't changed since my last list, so Zil, Boro, and Sally are my top choices, followed by Lommy and Lalaith.

Since I have to go now, I worry that if I leave, there might be a bandwaggon for someone I don't think is evil, so, let's make this a thing:

++Sally

Eonwe, what made you choose sally over your other two suspects at the point of voting? sally already had a vote at that point but Inziland Boro were pretty heavily suspected too. I'm particularly interested in this vote because it was before sally's reveal.

Originally Posted by Inzil

You know what?
I'm not going to hold out to try to save myself.

++Brinn

For being Rikae's Day 1 vote, for getting by since, and because the QT baddies are daring us.

Do the same, vote for someone else, or me,

Annoyed innocent here or calculated wolf? I think the self-sacrificial attitude does actually make me feel a bit better about him, but then I'm interested to know what he felt about sally, as this did put Brinn at 2 votes while sally already had 4, and at the time he was the only other lynch candidate with votes. Also, voting for sally would have been him actually working to save himself whereas the vote for Brinn was by no means putting himself safe.

Then sally reveals.

Legate seems suspicious of her - who do you claim you are hunting - whereas Pitch seems happy to take it at face value.

Originally Posted by Lommy

If Sally was the real hunter and thought she's gonna get lynched, wouldn't she let us do it and gun for whoever she thinks is the most suspicious, then let us analyse the bandwagon against known innocent her the Day after? We're not yet at a point where we can't afford lynching an innocent. I'm aware it's a question of playing style and how many risks you want to take, but if I was in Sally's position and the hunter I would never ever reveal.

A very strong reaction from Lommy.

Shasta also absolutely not believing sally. But he and Lommy have very different opinions on how to go about this. Lommy feels lynching sally either rids the village of a wolf pretending to be the Hunter, or means the Hunter can use their power and hopefully catch a wolf. Shasta feels it should be left to the Night. I think Shasta's version is safer for the village. Lommy's is high risk which she did admit herself, but felt it was early enough in the game that losing an innocent wouldn't be so bad. In terms of numbers, perhaps she's right, but I still think leaving the Hunter to the Night would have been better. Especially as if the Hunter was killed at night, and took down an innocent, then at least in the Day there might have been a chance of lynching a wolf, and so it would have been one wolf and two innocents dead, rather than now what we have with three innocents dead.

Lottie ok with lynching sally, unless she was sally's pick.

Rune did not want to lynch sally. Nor did Boro.

Legate agreeing with Lommy that not lynching sally would leave a 'what if' cloud over her role.

Lalaith didn't want to vote sally.

Mac was on the fence.

Reading it back over, it was utter chaos by this point. Lottie goes with what she said and votes sally, despite knowing sally was suspicious of her. This pushed sally's vote count high and was risky for Lottie - unless she's a very bold wolf I think this speaks to her innocence. Lottie does, however, plead for sally not to hunt her. Interestingly, sally did heed this and changed to Mac. Doesn't point to Lottie's innocence or guilt either way but apparently she is very persuasive!

Originally Posted by Mac

We're still relatively early in the game, so the chances of a hunter picking an innocent is relatively high and worth the risk for the wolves. It's in the end game that a hunter is very powerful.

I think this sums up my feelings about the issue. sally agrees with this, but still goes for Mac.

Lalaith changes her mind and votes sally - can I ask what caused the change, Lal?

Legate and Shasta both vote sally. Shasta didn't want to lynch the Hunter in the earlier discussion, so I'm assuming his vote was because he was convinced she wasn't the Hunter.

Brinn ... I didn't spot her opinion on sally earlier. What were your thoughts, Brinn?

Rune sticks to his not-lynching-the-Hunter guns and votes Inzil.

Boro changes his mind and votes sally in the interest of self preservation. Why the change of mind here, Boro? I know you cross posted but I don't think you were actually in danger at this point. The majority of the village had voted and sally was already well in the lead with votes.

Mac votes Greenie - well, he had suspected her all day and the decision was made.

Pitch, who had seemed to believe sally straight away, votes Eonwe. Pitch, what was it that had you so convinced?

sally did not help herself, that much is certain. RL can't be helped but this was nuts. Lottie and Lalaith seemed to be reacting to the situation as it presented, whereas Shasta, Lommy and Legate seemed convinced sally was either evil or that lynching the Hunter would be of more benefit than leaving them alive. I still think the theory was wrong, but we can see from Legate's role that that doesn't automatically equal wolf.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Right, but a few of us threw out there that we should think about an alternative plan, and a couple of people said "maybe Zil", and not a single person actually said "okay, vote Zil if you don't want to lynch Sally". It was possible, and I'm pretty sure it would've worked, too. I didn't make that call because I decided to take the risk and hope Sally was a wolf. If I was a wolf, I would have known she wasn't, and I would've known I was likely her target, so I definitely would have committed to Zil as the alternate option.

Yeah, Lottie is feeling innocent to me here. A lot of names were in the mix as alternative candidates yesterDay but no one pushed forward with a vote. We now know sally was the Hunter and she had Mac and Lottie as her top suspects. We now know Mac is innocent and I'm pretty confident with Lottie being innocent, so I can see why the wolves didn't want to push anyone else forward.