Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Since the QTs (which effectively means G55) did vote for her, that throws a small wrinkle into it.

That only tells us that G55 doesn't think Brinn is a wolf but wants to lynch her to save somebody she thinks IS a wolf - which could well be Mac, as she already seems to have thought him a possible wolf yesterDay.



However, I find myself concurring with Lottie above that the tone of Mac's last couple of posts is giving me pause. I don't know what a cornered Macwolf would sound like, but this doesn't feel like it.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

That only tells us that G55 doesn't think Brinn is a wolf but wants to lynch her to save somebody she thinks IS a wolf - which could well be Mac, as she already seems to have thought him a possible wolf yesterDay.



However, I find myself concurring with Lottie above that the tone of Mac's last couple of posts is giving me pause. I don't know what a cornered Macwolf would sound like, but this doesn't feel like it.

I don't actually think we should read into the QT vote at all. It could just as easily be a double-bluff by G55 - "If I vote Brinn, they'll think I want to kill her, so they won't vote her," etc. etc.

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't actually think we should read into the QT vote at all. It could just as easily be a double-bluff by G55 - "If I vote Brinn, they'll think I want to kill her, so they won't vote her," etc. etc.

True.


The Cobbler doesn't know anyone's roles,
The Cobbler doesn't know anyone's roles,
The Cobbler doesn't know anyone's roles,
High-dee-high-dee ho!

Originally Posted by Greenie

That said, I don’t trust Brinn at all either. As in the post Lhuna quoted earlier where she said she suspected Pitch but laid off when he started being suspected by more people as she thought there might be wolves in the bandwagon and she didn’t want a part in it; I get a vibe of someone more concerned about not being implicated in lynching an innocent than actually lynching someone she genuinely suspects.

That's one of the main points against Brinn which has up to now been brought up ad nauseam by the world & his wife, starting from Rikae onward and (IIRC, need to check but I think) including Mac at some point? Why reiterate it?

[Macalaure]

Ok then, looking into the rest of my unknown list.


Loslote. Half her posts seem genuinely innocent and the other half doesn’t. I don’t feel like going into detail, there’s just too much of it. Gut feeling is innocent who I just happen to I disagree with.

Not seeing anything suspicious about Shasta.

Moving on to lower post counts…

Still can’t get a read on Rune, but nothing jumps out either.

Something doesn’t feel right about Sally, but I can’t put my finger on it. I always feel that way about Sally though, so yeah…

I’m mostly ok with Lhuna. Her role in the Kitanna/ranger/wolf thing raised an eyebrow, and I’m no fan of her parting shot, but that’s all I see.

Eonwe. Getting some suspicion from people, but outside of throwing away his vote, I don’t see it.


So, I was hoping one or two on my unknown list would stick out suspiciously upon closer observation, but as it turns out, I guess there was a reason why they were on the unknown list in the first place.

[Macalaure]

Feeling a bit bad about my Lommy vote now. Her last few post look more innocent to me. I'm feeling a lot worse about Huin and wish I could change it to him or Greenie, vote count be damned.

[Thinlómien]

In the spirit of my latest (longer) post, I would really urge people to look at patterns and teamups and accusations and wrack their brains what might the entire wolf pack, or the majority of it be. When you start doing this, you quickly notice that there's a limited amount of combos that both make sense as a team and consist of suspicious feeling players.

Also I know it's only Day2 and now is not the time to start analysing submarines but everybody should at least skim through the player list and pause to consider each fellow player.

As for the lynch toDay, well I already cast my vote, which I maintain "made things more interesting" , even if it happens that I get lynched toDay. I see where the second guessing on Mac is coming from but to me, his behaviour continues to be mostly baffling - he seemed so paranoid resigned to his death the whole Day, now that it started to look like he would be lynch, he suddenly becomes chill and starts focusing on other things than just being framed?

I still think we should give Brinn a pass for toDay, mostly not based on her own actions but how eager people have been to pin accusations and valiant defences on her. To the point that I thought everyone else is thinking that Brinn was yesterDay's kerfuffle and being surprised that people (at least Legate and Greenie) seem to be genuinely considering voting her. But what can I say, lynching her is probably a better idea than lynching me, anyway.

Ditto about Inzil. I still think he has seemed relatively innocent, so the constant suspicion on him makes me think I'm missing something. But is it him being shady, or a low key wolf conspiracy to keep him as a backup lynch option? No offense, but he is the type of player who often gets lynched pretty arbitrarily.

But of course, the most votes anyone has is 2 so there's plenty time to add more candidates on the table. I'm pretty curious about this actually, because yesterDay for instance the votes didn't spread very much despite the villge being huge. Wolves might have an interest in keeping the number of options small, regardless of whether one of them already has a vote or not.


edit: xed with #478 and onwards

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

True.


The Cobbler doesn't know anyone's roles,
The Cobbler doesn't know anyone's roles,
The Cobbler doesn't know anyone's roles,
High-dee-high-dee ho!

That's the spirit!

And yeah, I should perhaps be happy for knowing people sharing the idea, but Greenie's happy jump on the idea to vote Brinn seems worrisome to me.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

But of course, the most votes anyone has is 2 so there's plenty time to add more candidates on the table. I'm pretty curious about this actually, because yesterDay for instance the votes didn't spread very much despite the villge being huge. Wolves might have an interest in keeping the number of options small, regardless of whether one of them already has a vote or not.

Some good points there. But of course, while there may be more than two or three options, the actual viable options will probably quickly get limited to a smaller number too. But yeah...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I'm at the moment strongly considering voting Brinn. Otherwise I thought to start a Huinesoron vote or somesuch, but I am not sure if anyone at all would go for it.

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for Huinesoron. I mentioned earlier that [b]Mac[b] was looking more innocent to me, and I started getting a kind of sketchy vibe from Huin. Even when I put him in my "feeling okay" category in my list, I mentioned that I wanted to keep an eye on his habit of slightly misrepresenting things in his summaries, as well. I'm going to take a closer look at him, but I would consider him a candidate for voting toDay.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I could vote for either, as part of the Rikae connection, or Lottie. It doesn't seem there would be much support for the last, though.

Originally Posted by Loslote

I wouldn't be opposed to voting for Huinesoron. I mentioned earlier that [b]Mac[b] was looking more innocent to me, and I started getting a kind of sketchy vibe from Huin. Even when I put him in my "feeling okay" category in my list, I mentioned that I wanted to keep an eye on his habit of slightly misrepresenting things in his summaries, as well. I'm going to take a closer look at him, but I would consider him a candidate for voting toDay.

The feeling when people you are wary of start to be the (basically only) ones supporting your lynch ideas.

But I would also like it to be filed that Greenie said she could vote either Brinn or Mac (in response to me talking about voting Brinn), other people mentioned both afterwards, and of the options, then decided to go for Mac. Just a thing to check back to later if anything relevant to this "constellation" comes up.

Since now there seems to be more support for it too, I may vote Hui. But otherwise I'm also very much favouring Brinnlynch to others.

EDIT: x-ed after Lommy

[Thinlómien]

An hour to go. Is everyone gonna vote at the last minute again?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mac

Feeling a bit bad about my Lommy vote now. Her last few post look more innocent to me. I'm feeling a lot worse about Huin and wish I could change it to him or Greenie, vote count be damned.

If you're a wolf, you're eeeevil, you know that?

Originally Posted by Legate

Anyways, Mac looks far from uncontroversial to me, but I don't like how suddenly half the villag - not the least people I suspect like Lottie etc - turned into suddenly serving Mac as the main meal of the day. It feels like it isn't healthy.

Not that I wouldn't still be for cannibalising Mac for a village dinner à la Asterix, but I actually agree with this sentiment. Like I said before, people have been way too much assuming about Mac getting lynched toDay (others than Mac himself, too ).

That being said - I'm making a sidenote right now that if we lynch Mac and if he is a wolf, then I'd really look at Legate.

People talking about voting Huinesoron? Well that would be a Plot Twist but not necessarily a bad one. If he's a wolf, I wager Brinn is one too. He pretty much admitted to trying to save her on Day1, which just sounded off to me. But I have really hard time reading Huin because as I've said, I just don't follow his thought processes because it seems we disagree on every turn.


edit: xed with Lottie, Leggie and Littlie

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

People talking about voting Huinesoron? Well that would be a Plot Twist but not necessarily a bad one. If he's a wolf, I wager Brinn is one too. He pretty much admitted to trying to save her on Day1, which just sounded off to me. But I have really hard time reading Huin because as I've said, I just don't follow his thought processes because it seems we disagree on every turn.

Huey seems capable of long, analytical posts and somehow steers clear of controversy in the meantime. I am not at all at ease with him, but I don't think I'd vote him just yet.

[Pitchwife]

Correction to #484: Not including Mac, his point against Brinn (which Greenie called 'the most suspicious thing' she'd seen yesterDay) was something else. Still.


On one hand I'd kind of like to lynch Mac just so I don't have to worry & wonder about him for the rest of the game, but that's a ****ty reason, so right now I'd rather not. On the other hand I'm less and less comfortable with narrowing down the choice to either Mac or Brinn (yes I know, I've done it too above). And on the gripping hand I'm not really sure what's going on between Lhuna, Mac and Lommy.


I could still vote Zil, or I could actually get behind Legate's Hui vote. A few of Hui's posts look like subtly sewing suspicion while not getting too involved in anything.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hn. I'm caught up, for the most part, and I'm still not not okay with a Brinniel or Pitchwife QT today.

Gut instinct has me liking Lottie and Eonwe, as well.

I don't have a compelling reason not to QT Mac, either. I think I'm still in find-people-I-like mode. Speaking of, I thought Boro's entrance today was good, I liked his thought process re: Brinn.

I will likely be voting Brinn/Pitch/Mac. Pitch may be the least likely of those three because he probably needs a devoted reread. We'll see what I feel like in a few minutes.

[Kitanna]

Here's some rushed thoughts onHuinesoron
YesterDay, he came down hard on Lommy, initially for what looked to me like a normal "woe onto Day 1 and chaos" post. But he kept on it.
At the same time he threw light suspicion at LGP and also really pushed for "why is Mac so suspicious? And he kept pushing it, though Mac didn't ever appear to be a contender to be lynched. Then when Brinn fell under scrutiny he did the same sort of thing. Ultimately voting G55

Originally Posted by Huen

I will - probably in about 15 minutes - vote for Pitch (preferably) or G55 (if necessary), because I'm suspicious of both and don't trust the Brinn-wagon.

I think that's because my wolf-lean was initially based on her as part of a Pitch-G55 pack, which doesn't make much sense for a Cobbler.

Is how he starts the Day. Which, why not have a cobbler in that group? I think it makes sense for a cobbler to propose such an idea, then back away. In the same way I could believe it of a wolf.
And is back on his Lommy lynch train. Still not seeing why, then again, I haven't dug in on Lommy too much. Still it seems weird how he always keeps her there, ready to lynch, but then goes a different direction.

Timeline check: cross-posted with me (6 minutes earlier), or written after seeing it?

I feel he wants to get credit for saying "let's back off, Kit, shall we?" When it wasn't really necessary to establish a timeline for that. I revealed myself when enough people brought up my fake reveal reaction and I said I was done engaging on the subject. From a village standpoint, yeah, let it go, because innocents commenting on it are just digging themselves into a hole for wolves to hide in. But it alarms me Huin went out of his way to establish who said it first.
After a Day of demanding why people saw Mac as suspicious, and in my frantic refreshing to stay onto of new posts I see he's voted Mac.

I think that raises him from 'moderate' to 'probable' wolf in my estimation. Sadly for Mac, with both of them having a vote, it doesn't make me think he himself is less suspicious - accusing your packmate right before one of you gets lynched sounds like a great way to alleviate suspicion of them.

Originally Posted by Mac

Rereading Huin’s post while I’m looking over posts raises my blood pressure.

Yes! This! A million times! If I could use profanities here, I would.

So final thoughts on the Day.
Eonwe I didn't like his vote yesterDay and nothing he's said since makes me feel any better about him.
Mac I feel lynching Mac or Brinn would be very telling, but I don't want to "kill the patient for the autopsy" or however Mac put it.
Huin I feel if Huin is a wolf, then look deeper into Lommy. He has been harping on her since the start, but doesn't act on it. He spoke a lot, but I don't feel he always said anything, which is funny because he leveled that same statement at others yesterDay. He demands reasons for Mac and Brinn being so suspicious, but I don't feel like he really looked at people's reasons of why in the first place. He just saw these names that were gaining just enough traction and pounced. Like if they were lynched and turned out innocent he would look good. But then today he votes Mac. Erm...ok? Which at the beginning of the day, after reviewing Day 1, I'd have voted Mac too, but now? I feel like there's more to go on elsewhere.
And then the "leave Kit alone" timeline Huin tries to establish worries me.

++Huinesoron

[Thinlómien]

Lommy -> Macalaure
Kath -> Inzil
Lhuna -> Lommy
Macalaure -> Lommy 2
QT -> Brinniel
Greenie -> Macalaure 2
Legate -> Huinesoron
Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3
Rune -> Loslote
Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2

10 votes left

[Loslote]

Left to vote:

Me
Pitchwife
Zil
Boro
Lalaith
Brinniel
Eönwë
THE Ka
Sally
Shasta

We are really coming down to the wire here. I'm leaning towards voting Huinesoron.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Left to vote:

Me
Pitchwife
Zil
Boro
Urwen
Lalaith
Brinniel
Eönwë
THE Ka
Sally
Shasta

Minus Urwen, who has left the game!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

We are really coming down to the wire here. I'm leaning towards voting Huinesoron.

As one wise, kind, charming old man from another universum once said: "Dew it!"

EDIT: x-ed with many

[Pitchwife]

You know what, let's.

++Huinesoron

[satansaloser2005]

Lottie or Mac. Lottie or Mac.

Voting in a couple. Still on the phone, but trying to make up my mind.

[Thinlómien]

Lommy -> Macalaure
Kath -> Inzil
Lhuna -> Lommy
Macalaure -> Lommy 2
QT -> Brinniel
Greenie -> Macalaure 2
Legate -> Huinesoron
Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3
Rune -> Loslote
Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2
THE Ka -> Loslote 2
Pitchwife -> Huinesoron 3 (Mac still on the lead)

8 votes left

~*~

This Huinewagon is staring to look interesting, just saying, regardless of his role...

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by THE Ka #532

The tone in this is a bit polished. Of course we all want to get our ideas across correctly, but a bit of distance from subject and lack of contractions.

You mean you suspect people because they don't sound like Data?
This is quite fascinating, Captain.

[Inziladun]

I'd still prefer Brinn, Mac, or Lottie, but it may be academic.

[Thinlómien]

Lommy -> Macalaure
Kath -> Inzil
Lhuna -> Lommy
Macalaure -> Lommy 2
QT -> Brinniel
Greenie -> Macalaure 2
Legate -> Huinesoron
Huinesoron -> Macalaure 3
Rune -> Loslote
Kitanna -> Huinesoron 2
THE Ka -> Loslote 2
Pitchwife -> Huinesoron 3
Loslote -> Huinesoron 4

7 votes left

[satansaloser2005]

Better odds right now on him.

++Mac

Sorry, love.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That being said, I am surprised at the sudden turnout about Lottie, but I am having positive feelings about it too. The question being, nothing of this matters until the fat lady sings, right? (Seriously why does my brain keep coming up with this kind of phrases at this hour?)

Aside from those whose names are flying about this Evening, I suggest keeping eye on Greenie.