Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread

[satansaloser2005]

I've messaged a handful of other wights in hopes they might join us. I've so missed you all! <3

As for the deadline, I have no horse in the race, as I can vote whenever.

I love this game idea, and the application of the dead thread is fantastic. Three cheers to Nogrod and company! I do have one question on the dead thread, though perhaps I missed it: Does this mean roles will be revealed upon death, or will that remain secret?

On the topic of U/L, I think an additional goal for the quarantined would be fun. However, if we never who she is, or if she's one of the first killed, it doesn't affect the game too much, so it wouldn't be an unbalancing factor by any means.

And of course we always need a cobbler, regardless of how frequently people assume it's me.

Tomorrow can't come soon enough!


x'd with our lovely Pitchwife

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Now what exactly do you mean by real in this context, given that we have both among the players?

And speaking of that, what can we call the role to differentiate it from the players? Just keep going U/L to indicate it's neither player but either name?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Does this mean roles will be revealed upon death, or will that remain secret?

Yes, the idea is to reveal roles so as to not overcomplicate things on the Game Thread.

[THE Ka]

Hey sorry for the late check-in, but had to refresh myself since it's been several years.

I've never played a game with a cobbler role, but I do enjoy the idea of it in this set up. Maybe to help balance out the ordo to wolf ratio? Echoing Legate's concerns about the numbers per role. We may have quite enough players to set it at six? Or just add a cobbler to keep it balanced in the sense that they could inadvertently help wolves or do nothing to tip the scales.

Just to be clear, the voting deadline is settling on 9PM GMT for the game and 7PM GMT for the QT? Either time works for me, I'd just not like to be late being in the Pacific.

Thank you again for letting me join, hopefully I survive this time.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

There's a distinct lack of Nerwen, but I'd like to join in, if you'll have me.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

There's a distinct lack of Nerwen, but I'd like to join in, if you'll have me.

Yay! And agreed about lack of Nerwen, but idk where she is roaming... if she (or any other willing player) appears too late, then I guess we'll just be forced to play another game after this.

As for the U/L, my first reaction was "please no more compliations, plus it isn't such an interesting role" but ehhh... I guess it doesn't matter much either way?

Okay so we're now at 22. Does that mean cobbler time? Or only if we happen to get a 23rd player?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Now what exactly do you mean by real in this context, given that we have both among the players?

Very simple. There is a difference between Urwen/Lalaith (the way I wrote it) and Urwen/Lalaith (the players). That could be easy enough to distinguish, if people can make sure they check their bolding?

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

And speaking of that, what can we call the role to differentiate it from the players? Just keep going U/L to indicate it's neither player but either name?

Or this.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Exactly. The whole U/L idea is, pardon the pun, sick, and I love it.

That said, I like Hui's Innocent Child idea too.

The Innocent Child is a very interesting concept, never heard about it before. But the original idea, if people do not have a problem with it, is okay too as an extra objective. Just if it doesn't make an already huuuuuuge game too much bigger and more complicated and lenghten the already long thread by another five pages of discussing whether to care about U/L at all on Day 1 alone.

[Nogrod]

Good to see you too Shasta!

And we're up to 22... with this number we'll add a cobbler. any more signing in's on these last hours before the game starts will lead to a consideration of exchanging that cobbler to a one more Infector ("wolf").


What I thought about telling the player whom I'd designate as "narration's U/L" (one more way of making the distinction) was just to give one player more pressure aka. fun - and maybe give the QT one more issue to mull over (I liked hS's idea that it would be especially up to the QT to save her). Now we might just make a ruling that with this quite special role (being a "secondary winning condition" for the villagers - or just QT - or "consolation prize" for the baddies) there could be a special rule also: that the person made to be U/L is not allowed to reveal or claim it. Or we could go with the Innocent Child -idea because that is nothing anyone would try to fake. Although in that case (with practically one free Seer-dream, albeit a dangerous one for the secondary winning condition), I think we might do well to think of the balance once more.

But that is something we need to think anyway, a least if there are any more people joining (looking forwards to seeing Nerwen entering the Thread).



We need some time to decide on the final ratios of different roles, and I need some to make thorough enough randomization of the roles. So let's decide here and now, that the latest hour for anyone to join the game is 6PM GMT/UTC today (aka. three hours before Night1 begins). So that's more or less like 7 hours from now.

Meanwhile, please let me know your thoughts on any of the matters we have discussed thus far. We need to fix them before Night1.

[Nogrod]

Two hours to the DL to join the game!


I have added three sections to the Rules (in the first post), concerning voting, technical things and then the relation of narratives, characters and players. Please go and check.

Any more rules you think we need to state?


Open questions - depending also on the final number of players - are the number of Infectors, using the Cobbler and/or Innocent Child (or a version of it). Depending on the last one, we need to define the kind of "secondary goals" (or the lack of them).

Any others that come to mind?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Two hours to the DL to join the game!


I have added three sections to the Rules (in the first post), concerning voting, technical things and then the relation of narratives, characters and players. Please go and check.

Any more rules you think we need to state?


Open questions - depending also on the final number of players - are the number of Infectors, using the Cobbler and/or Innocent Child (or a version of it). Depending on the last one, we need to define the kind of "secondary goals" (or the lack of them).

Any others that come to mind?

Thank you so much for staying on top of this. It's gonna be fun...

I have no opinions on the Infector/Cobbler question (not enough experience to form one). For U/L, my vote (or non-vote?) would go first to 'anyone sent the QT before she dies has a secondary goal to keep her alive'; after that I don't think I have a preference.

hS

[Boromir88]

I am uber pumped and excited. Thanks Nogrod for organizing this and everyone who has joined.

[Nogrod]

So here we are.


22 players.


1 Seer
1 Ranger
1 Hunter

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5 Infectors

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1 Innocent Child
1 Cobbler

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12 Innocent (healthy) Villagers


Thinking behind this:

Innocent Child and Cobbler kind of "cancel each other out" (in the end they can benefit either side but their purpose is to benefit opposite sides)

That would leave a ratio of 5:20 aka. 1:4.

Interpolate that and it means the same as 3 wolves in a 12 player game or 4 wolves in a 16 player game. That's a wee-little bit heavy ratio from the villagers POV, but then again the QT might actually help the innocents in the later stages of the game, so I'd say that's just the right ratio.


I'm now going to check everything and then go randomizing the lists in my favorite random.org. -site. Whether it is true or whatever it means, I just love their description of what they do on their website: "The randomness comes from atmospheric noise, which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs".

So you are being exposed to atmospheric noise!