Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-02-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Nogs- you could always do a cheeky rewrite the legendarium - Lalaith and Urwen could be twins?

Plot twist - what if there were two girls originally, and in truth, only one of them died while the other one survived, and typically for his tragic story full of misunderstandings, Túrin never realised that his sister was, in fact, alive the whole time.

Galadriel55 · 05-02-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Plot twist - what if there were two girls originally, and in truth, only one of them died while the other one survived, and typically for his tragic story full of misunderstandings, Túrin never realised that his sister was, in fact, alive the whole time.

Urwen is dead, but of Lalaith speak no more? Hmm.

Nogrod · 05-02-2020, 03:12 PM

Okay. There is now a bench-mark post in the Game Thread showing the planned Deadline. It is posted exactly 9PM GMT/UTC.

To those who love to misread, it is not "Interlude, or a second breakfast" (or even "elevensies or a second breakfast").

A few little things.

Remember to check your PM-box - that there is room for messages there. When Night1 starts in 24 hours, I'll be sending all the special people a PM on their roles.

If you do not receive a PM from me in 24 hours, you are an ordinary (healthy) Villager whose job is not let the Evil Breath of Morgoth to get the better of you.

So don't ask in the Discussion Thread whether I have posted the roles yet...

Also I thought of adding a minor thing just to give one player some extra bloodpressure for the game. I'm thinking of telling Urwen / Lalaith (the character in this story, not either of the nicks) that s/he is her.

So an extra goal for the village is to keep U/L safe - and the one playing U/L will know it is him/her whom everyone is trying to keep safe!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-02-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also I thought of adding a minor thing just to give one player some extra bloodpressure for the game. I'm thinking of telling Urwen / Lalaith (the character in this story, not either of the nicks) that s/he is her.

So an extra goal for the village is to keep U/L safe - and the one playing U/L will know it is him/her whom everyone is trying to keep safe!

Goal for the innocents, you mean?

But it sounds potentially explosive - as in, another venue for someone (including the real Urwen/Lalaith) to go shouting "wait! Don't lynch me! I'm Urwen!"

It sounds like an interesting concept, but I smell more potential problems (or rather, further confusion created).

Nogrod · 05-02-2020, 03:44 PM

Well, there is one more chance for the wolves to play a high risk - high reward -game. But until it is at the very end of the game, that probably is not going to be believed by anyone, as the real U/L wouldn't want to shed the light on her as that would mean more or less certain death in a Night or two. For U/L to be quarantined is a loss of a kind, but her speaking it out would mean also a very bad situation to the whole village the maingame-wise - so she would probably use some discretion.

But yes, that was just an idea. If others share Legate's concern / show why my argument is bad, I'm ready to cancel the idea.

On other issues. With 21 villagers right now I have added seven characters to the village (and taken one off). They are, with short description to those who don't remember them.

On their way to Húrin's village:

Old Halmir, of the House of Haleth, Warden of the Haladin
Haldir, the heir of Halmir, chieftain of the Haladin
Glóredhel, of the House of Hador, Haldir’s wife

Hareth, of the house of Haleth, Húrin’s & Huor’s mom, Haldir’s sister
Huor, brother of Húrin
Rían, of the House of Bëor, wife of Huor

Also, already in the village we have:

Brandir, Haldir's grandchild, fosterchild in Húrin's house, later called "the lame"

I did drop Indor, Aerin's father, from the list for the time being as he's only mentioned once in the CoH and nothing else is told about him but that Aerin was his daughter.

If there is still someone to join, I will add him back to the list.

Galadriel55 · 05-02-2020, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

Well, there is one more chance for the wolves to play a high risk - high reward -game. But until it is at the very end of the game, that probably is not going to be believed by anyone, as the real U/L wouldn't want to shed the light on her as that would mean more or less certain death in a Night or two. For U/L to be quarantined is a loss of a kind, but her speaking it out would mean also a very bad situation to the whole village the maingame-wise - so she would probably use some discretion.

So ensuring U/L's survival is a secondary goal for the village, and killing her is the secondary goal for the wolves? That could work. It's not too complex of a subplot, and it doesn't drastically change the game dynamics. Primary goals still remain the same, and this is a bonus.

Huinesoron · 05-02-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

So ensuring U/L's survival is a secondary goal for the village, and killing her is the secondary goal for the wolves? That could work. It's not too complex of a subplot, and it doesn't drastically change the game dynamics. Primary goals still remain the same, and this is a bonus.

So she's basically a powerless Gifted role, whose status at the end can make a loss (by either team) a little less painful?

An alternate but related idea just occurred to me, which I thought I'd put out there: she could be an instance of the Innocent Child power. As I recall it, the IC's ability is that they can at any time get the Mod to publically confirm their status as the Innocent Child - a sort of free Seer check, but with the obvious proviso that the wolves know who you are as well.

I personally think the 'protect/kill U/L' is probably more interesting, but if people are concerned this is another option.

A third option, and the one I thought was originally discussed, is that the QT is the one that wants to protect UL. Villager or Infector, it doesn't matter - none of them want to see the little girl wind up in their plague house. Meanwhile, the living don't care, except insofar as it colours their reading of what the QT is up to.

hS

05-02-2020, 03:12 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. There is now a bench-mark post in the Game Thread showing the planned Deadline. It is posted exactly 9PM GMT/UTC. To those who love to misread, it is not "Interlude, or a second breakfast" (or even "elevensies or a second breakfast"). A few little things. Remember to check your PM-box - that there is room for messages there. When Night1 starts in 24 hours, I'll be sending all the special people a PM on their roles. If you do not receive a PM from me in 24 hours, you are an ordinary (healthy) Villager whose job is not let the Evil Breath of Morgoth to get the better of you. So don't ask in the Discussion Thread whether I have posted the roles yet... Also I thought of adding a minor thing just to give one player some extra bloodpressure for the game. I'm thinking of telling Urwen / Lalaith (the character in this story, not either of the nicks) that s/he is her. So an extra goal for the village is to keep U/L safe - and the one playing U/L will know it is him/her whom everyone is trying to keep safe! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-02-2020, 03:44 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Well, there is one more chance for the wolves to play a high risk - high reward -game. But until it is at the very end of the game, that probably is not going to be believed by anyone, as the real U/L wouldn't want to shed the light on her as that would mean more or less certain death in a Night or two. For U/L to be quarantined is a loss of a kind, but her speaking it out would mean also a very bad situation to the whole village the maingame-wise - so she would probably use some discretion. But yes, that was just an idea. If others share Legate's concern / show why my argument is bad, I'm ready to cancel the idea. On other issues. With 21 villagers right now I have added seven characters to the village (and taken one off). They are, with short description to those who don't remember them. On their way to Húrin's village: Old Halmir, of the House of Haleth, Warden of the Haladin Haldir, the heir of Halmir, chieftain of the Haladin Glóredhel, of the House of Hador, Haldir’s wife Hareth, of the house of Haleth, Húrin’s & Huor’s mom, Haldir’s sister Huor, brother of Húrin Rían, of the House of Bëor, wife of Huor Also, already in the village we have: Brandir, Haldir's grandchild, fosterchild in Húrin's house, later called "the lame" I did drop Indor, Aerin's father, from the list for the time being as he's only mentioned once in the CoH and nothing else is told about him but that Aerin was his daughter. If there is still someone to join, I will add him back to the list. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...