Turin and Maeglin? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Urwen · 06-13-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

I guess that would depend on whether or not he chose an incestuous traitor as his favorite character.

Yet at the same time he glorifies Turin, who married his sister, which is even worse.

Andsigil · 06-13-2019, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Yet at the same time he glorifies Turin, who married his sister, which is even worse.

Turin didn’t know it was his sister, and when he found out he was distraught.

Maeglin, on the other hand, had no such regrets and died having sold his city to Morgoth just so he could satisfy his lust on his cousin.

William Cloud Hicklin · 06-15-2019, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

Turin didn’t know it was his sister, and when he found out he was distraught.

Maeglin, on the other hand, had no such regrets and died having sold his city to Morgoth just so he could satisfy his lust on his cousin.

...and against her will, as well, so it's rape piled on top of incest.

Inziladun · 06-15-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

Maeglin, on the other hand, had no such regrets and died having sold his city to Morgoth just so he could satisfy his lust on his cousin.

Yes, that sort of "desire" has no noble connotation in Arda. Ar-Pharazon of Numenor went a step further, actually taking his first cousin to wife. Where that stood in place among his myriad sins is debatable, but it certainly didn't help him.

Urwen · 06-15-2019, 11:39 AM

You don't understand. None of you does understand.....

Huinesoron · 06-15-2019, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You don't understand. None of you does understand.....

So explain it. From how you've been talking, it comes across like you read the Silm and thought 'I bet Tolkien was totally lying about Maeglin and he was actually lovely'. But I don't imagine that's what happened.

So where does this come from? What is it about Maeglin as written that first drew you to him, and leads you to conjure up defenses of him?

hS

Urwen · 06-15-2019, 02:18 PM

I would, but it's kinda hard to explain.

Urwen · 10-25-2019, 03:54 PM

Actually, if you still want an explanation, here it is: I feel inevitably inclined to sympathize with characters who had a chance to be good, but who became bad instead.

06-15-2019, 11:39 AM	#5
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	You don't understand. None of you does understand..... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

06-15-2019, 02:18 PM	#7
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I would, but it's kinda hard to explain. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-25-2019, 03:54 PM	#8
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Actually, if you still want an explanation, here it is: I feel inevitably inclined to sympathize with characters who had a chance to be good, but who became bad instead. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.