Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Dead Thread

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Unless the GW is scrying instead of gifting.

I feel like Eomer might be trying to mislead the living. I thought he was looking innocent until toDay, but there can't be more than two wolves, so if he was turned last Night, then there would only have been the one, original wolf this whole time.

Unless...Eomer is the EW, he knows the GW is going to catch him soon, and he's making moves and drawing fire to keep attention off of the wolves. He did take command of the lynch yesterDay to get Boro lynched instead of Nog or Legate - but if Nog is innocent, why not go for the easier Nog lynch if all Eomer was doing was trying to protect a Legatewolf?

One last thought before I have to bounce though...

Agreed, I thought Eomer's posting towards the end of the the last Day was as if he was expecting Mith to be a visitor. And made a point to ask Nog and Legate if they were going to vote for me, which I read as he was trying to hold them to their votes. Then acted like everything would be cleared up with Mith's return.

But that's clearly not what happened and then Nog is killed.

[Nogrod]

Did Eomer the EW just put all his eggs into the same basket to risk for a final battle?

Since I'm feeling we're so close to the end, I'm throwing caution a bit to the wind now. I am operating under the assumption that Boro was a wolf, and that makes Legate and Lalaith seem innocent to me. In this crazy game, I just want something simple to hold on to!

Or am I just getting paranoid?

Without a duel the evil side is pretty close to victory if they lynch a goodie toDay. They still need a successful Night kill, but with those they have prevailed thus far. And with both, they win.

Uhh... then again Eomer looks like someone who really cares about things (promising to look at a scenario where Boro is not a wolf - let's see if he does that and what are his thoughts on it) - but he's made to rethink things becasue of *drumroll* Nerwen's points!

Should one just surrender and admit being totally "out and cycling" (as the Swedish say)?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Uhh... then again Eomer looks like someone who really cares about things (promising to look at a scenario where Boro is not a wolf - let's see if he does that and what are his thoughts on it) - but he's made to rethink things becasue of *drumroll* Nerwen's points!

Should one just surrender and admit being totally "out and cycling" (as the Swedish say)?

I'm not familiar with the phrase, but I think I get the gist.

Legate's new proposed list:

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Right, I just copied it from the narration. Okay, if we wanted to do it backwards, it would be like this:

BORO PREY
Brinniel
Eönwë
Legate of Amon Lanc

BORO PREDATOR
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
satansaloser2005

NONE OF THE ABOVE
Shastanis Althreduin
Nerwen

Would everyone agree on that one?

Of those options, what does everyone think?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Of those options, what does everyone think?

I liked the old list better. And I'm a little side-eyeing Brinn for prompting the switch - the obvious way to mix it up was to flip it, which of course put her in the Prey list, which a wolf would know is the group to be in.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I liked the old list better. And I'm a little side-eyeing Brinn for prompting the switch - the obvious way to mix it up was to flip it, which of course put her in the Prey list, which a wolf would know is the group to be in.

Good point. However, if we stray from it, we risk the remaining innocents being falsely led to believe something (maybe that Boro was a wolf), which of course, the baddies would also take much delight in.

[Nogrod]

I think we should really consider now foremost to try and help to vote down a baddie.

With eight people remaining and probably three of them evil, they can easily co-ordinate a vote. Especially toDay when they can actually emerge victorious if they succeed in their Night kill after that.

Nice, if Brinn, Eönwe or Legate vote for someone we think is evil. Then let's do it and empower one vote against the person we suspect the most. But if none of them votes for a person we really suspect, then let's try to save the village first and try to enhance any vote we see as aiding the village in the lynching of a baddie.

And please don't start on this again in this Thread - it was enough for me to try and hold the sanity of this approach against the evil back there with the living. Knowing Boro is innocent doesn't help them if the village loses, especially in the ironic situation where our vote-empowerement opens the road to victory for the evil...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think we're in with the same misunderstanding we had in the Living Thread. I think Lommy means a vote empowering someone who is voting for Legate to be lynched.

Yes.

I originally thought we have a "you win or you die" kind of Day toDay and that's why I thought miscommunication about Boro's alignment would be a small price to pay for lynching a baddie. Now I don't know. It's hard when you don't know he actual numbers. Also: those of us staying up until the dl: remember intentionally causing a tie is an option too if someone you're 90% sure is innocent is about to get lynched. It might give us another Day depending on the numbers.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Good point. However, if we stray from it, we risk the remaining innocents being falsely led to believe something (maybe that Boro was a wolf), which of course, the baddies would also take much delight in.

Agreed. I don't like the new list one bit. But would "none of the above" be a good way to communicate we don't want to be bound by this system anymore? It's getting risky.

Then again most of us seem to be "out and cycling" (aka clueless ) like Nogrod said.....

I was hoping the GW would reveal herself and the gifteds toDay and rally the ordos to her side - bold, I know, but the best way to ensure a baddie lynch at this point, but she seems to have a reason not to do that.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I was hoping the GW would reveal herself and the gifteds toDay and rally the ordos to her side - bold, I know, but the best way to ensure a baddie lynch at this point, but she seems to have a reason not to do that.

I looked forward to it too, especially with this "We'll have an interesting Day ahead of us" by Kuru (remembering he wished to hear about any Duel-challenges the previous Night).

Let's hope not our GW is so thoughtless / full of herself, that she leaves the challenge dramatically to the end of the Day, not thinking how devastatingly poor she'd make the situation for a) the rest of the ordos to unite in the normal voting, and b) us here to aid in that effort.

[Loslote]

I'm not totally sure what to make of the Nerwen-Brinn spat - it looks to me like Nerwen set out to find Brinn suspicious toDay, but I can't tell if a Nerwolf is trying to get an innocent Brinn lynched or if it's attempted wolf-on-wolf. I think, unless one of them is the EW, that wolf-on-wolf doesn't quite make sense here, since there's no way to know until two Days later that the one who died even was a wolf, so I'm leaning towards thinking that Brinn is innocent.

Unless Nerwen is the GW or a gifted acting for the GW, and Brinn is a scried wolf. But I do think Nerwen is suspicious anyway, so I'm leaning away from that theory.

[Mithalwen]

It is hard since we have no known innocents alive as a reference point and gifted and wolfish behaviour can be similar. However I think our best use is to try and get a wolf even if it risk a mix3d message later on. I mean Nogrod could be a visitor. Someone has to be something. Even if thw wizards seem to be stymied.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Back again briefly- no, I don't think I'm misrepresenting you. Certainly not deliberately- I've been looking at what you actually say in those posts and interpreting it as best I can. Maybe you meant something different by it- who knows? I felt there was a certain house-of-cards logic to some of your suspicions, to which I wanted to draw attention.

...

Comments: Hard to say. Much of her posting seems sensible and innocent but there are some definite wolfy indications as well. Hmmn.

How do the living not think she's suspicious? This is reading so wolfy to me.

[Thinlómien]

Yeah, I very much doubt both Nerwen and Brinn are evil, and Nerwen seems worse. I also wonder about a Nerwen-Shasta team (Nerwen = EW, Shasta = wolf?) using their recurring lovey-dovey werewolf act as a smokescreen for an alliance? Who'd be the other, presumably later-created wolf?

edit: xed with Nog