Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread

[Eönwë]

Oh, and surely empowering the most suspicious person could cause problems?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Oh, and surely empowering the most suspicious person could cause problems?

I think he must mean empowering a vote *for* the most suspicious person.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think he must mean empowering a vote *for* the most suspicious person.

Oh, that makes a lot more sense. Sorry Nog.

[Eönwë]

Though that does come with the problems that:

1. Everyone in the Dead Thread needs to be around around the deadline.
2. People would need to start voting earlier on the Living Thread so the Dead have time to discuss who is the best option out of those who have votes. I mean, I suppose they could agree to some kind of ranking, but I can imagine many ways in which that could get messed up.

Ok, actually going now. Will be back later in the Day.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Though that does come with the problems that:

1. Everyone in the Dead Thread needs to be around around the deadline.
2. People would need to start voting earlier on the Living Thread so the Dead have time to discuss who is the best option out of those who have votes. I mean, I suppose they could agree to some kind of ranking, but I can imagine many ways in which that could get messed up.

Ok, actually going now. Will be back later in the Day.

Also, let's try to not spread the votes out so much this time.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

2. People would need to start voting earlier on the Living Thread so the Dead have time to discuss who is the best option out of those who have votes. I mean, I suppose they could agree to some kind of ranking, but I can imagine many ways in which that could get messed up.

That was the main thing in the last Dead thread! That's why it should be clear asap, and not changed. In the previous game, some of us had to vote waaay before DL, while the Living were merrily chatting about weather, and then somebody remembered they should give us a list, so they gave us one, so we were "finally, a list! Now we can vote!" And right after we voted, the Living said "hey, wait a second, we came up even with a better list! How about instead we do it like this!" And then our votes which had been already cast suddenly meant something completely different than they did before. So that's why it is really important we sort this out.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

That said, I think it is better to include the "none of the above/something else" option rather than the "they voted each other/they voted themselves" option, because does that really tell us anything? You could sum them up under the same thing, at least. "There was a tie". And leave the last part for "none of the above". I mean, I can't imagine what the "none of the above" would be, but. (Well maybe it could be "We are not going to run according to your schemes and we're going to do our own stuff like Nog suggests?" That would also solve that debate.)

Anyway I am actually going to use the nice weather here IRL and take tortoises out for a pasture (yes, you heard right), but I should be back in not such a long time. Try to figure out something with the Dead debate.

[Lalaith]

That said, I think it is better to include the "none of the above/something else" option rather than the "they voted each other/they voted themselves" option, because does that really tell us anything?

I agree. I don't want to chop us all up into little portions of two villagers the way Eonwe is now suggesting, it could in theory force the Dead to choose between empowering the wicked and the stupid.
I'm ok with a list and I think that the Dead (at least the innocents) would try to vote for Zil.
So I think we should be sectioned into three ways, Zil bad, Zil good, none of the above.That way the Dead have plenty of choice.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

That said, I think it is better to include the "none of the above/something else" option rather than the "they voted each other/they voted themselves" option, because does that really tell us anything?

It does, but on consideration I agree with everyone else here that it's better to keep the groups to choose from large, in case of someone failing to vote or sneaky group/category manipulation by someone who knows more than we do. Better to get some definite information now than no information, and hope that if things were complicated, the visitor will be able to tell us why.

On which note, a question for Kuru: Will it be clear from the narration whether someone is killed or is a Visitor Who Leaves?

[Nogrod]

I had just time to skim through the thread to see how much there is to read today to notice this.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think he must mean empowering a vote *for* the most suspicious person.

Exactly. Empowering the most suspicious would be not just stupid but kind of ununderstandable behavior. I mean why on earth anyone would do that? So the idea was (and is), naturally, empowering a vote for the most suspicious player.

In a hurry for an hour or two still, but will be back then.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Exactly. Empowering the most suspicious would be not just stupid but kind of ununderstandable behavior. I mean why on earth anyone would do that? So the idea was (and is), naturally, empowering a vote for the most suspicious player.

Yeah, I very much misread that, which is why I was so confused.

I'm still a little confused by some of the practicalities of this on the Dead Thread side (e.g. do people have to come up with a list which orders people by suspicion? And how late to wait before a 'suspicious enough' person is voted by living?) but it seems like it worked last time, so I'm going to give it a look before I make any further comments on it. But I assume the general takeaway for the Living is that we're going to need to start voting earlier?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Apart from that, Boro and Lottie and Nogrod are sort of in the "watching" cathegory (like it seems she could come back to vote for some of them if it came to it). So if the reason for her elimination should be some basic fear of Lommy being on somebody's trail, it would be one of this group - except for one important detail which I will get to below.

If those three are a wolf-pack together (i.e. Lottie as EW, Boro as N1-wolf, Nog as N2-wolf), I won't even be annoyed if they win.

Ok, should be back in a few (probably 3-4) hours when I have more time.

edit: x-posted since my last