Werewolf CXII - Dueling Wizards III - The Living Thread

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

If we have a clear plan, the empowerment won't be based on unknown motives. There will be three clear options - empower someone from one group of people if person x was innocent, from a second group if evil, and from a third, failsafe group if something is wrong. That way, the Dead have options for who they want to empower in order to convey the information, and we can avoid the situation where the Dead don't want to vote for the person we selected as the "person x was innocent" message.

But if the lists of whom to empower, as set out by Steve are alphabetical, doesn't that have a innate randomness?

Leeroy, I'm starting to sympathize.

Originally Posted by Loslote

This assumes the Dead reveal the roles in order of arrival, but I think that's reasonable, and if they have to depart from the plan, they can use the failsafe and wait for a Visitor to deliver the more complicated message.

Then again, the wait for either Visitor could be a protracted one.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

In theory, maybe the EW didn't create a wolf N1. So, D1 there was no wolf and the EW was just trying to get a lynch/small chance to expose the GW/gifted. What would be the advantage to create a wolf N1, other than create a small chance of possibly losing the wolf in a lucky D1 lynch? If by creating a wolf N2, the EW then gets to make a kill on N2, I'd definitely wait until N2 until creating a wolf. If I were the EW, just to get the joy of seeing a completely fruitless D1 lynch, because there would be no wolf to lynch.

You could be right. Odds are we do have a wolf now, though.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

But if the lists of whom to empower, as set out by Steve are alphabetical, doesn't that have a innate randomness?

We want there to be at least a couple of possible people to empower for each option, so that the Dead aren't forced to affect the vote in a way they didn't want. The alphabetical ordering is just one way of dividing the living into groups, we could go with another. Most methods of dividing into groups are going to be about as good as the others, though.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

We want there to be at least a couple of possible people to empower for each option, so that the Dead aren't forced to affect the vote in a way they didn't want. The alphabetical ordering is just one way of dividing the living into groups, we could go with another. Most methods of dividing into groups are going to be about as good as the others, though.

Well, they don't have to empower anyone, do they?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Well, they don't have to empower anyone, do they?

No, but we don't want to put them in a position where they have to chose between communicating information and not messing up the lynch. Having options gives them the ability to both communicate and potentially have some impact on the lynch vote.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I can't believe he was targeted as a potential Good Wizard. From the evil point of view, would the Good Wizard really go so far on a limb Day 1 to cast a vote on a wolf he'd scryed? And how likely would it have been that the GW would forego a Gifted creation on Night 1, lacking any data on anyone, just to randomly pick someone for a role-reveal?

Context- more likely than the other scenario that a Wolflote killed him out of spite/panic. That was my only point. (Honestly I don't find her particularly suspicious anyway.)

x/d with the Mod- so the EW and wolves might have had some benefit to going after a possible GW Morsul- except they didn't have this clarification at that time.

Ahem. How do you know???

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Ahem. How do you know???

Ahem. Because Kuru just said it toDay?

[Inziladun]

And yes, I know the baddies could have asked Kuru themselves, but I don't think it likely.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

And yes, I know the baddies could have asked Kuru themselves, but I don't think it likely.

Actually, I'd have thought it very likely... and you were so certain a moment ago...

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Actually, I'd have thought it very likely... and you were so certain a moment ago...

Ah. There's Eeevill afoot.

[Inziladun]

I only have another couple of hours before I'm going to have to vote and sign off for the Day. Not good, when so many haven't been around.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You could be right. Odds are we do have a wolf now, though.

Point being. it might be worth taking a look at those voting and who were pursuing a lynch yesterday as EW suspects. Granted, one of the more vocal "lynch someone" voices was Morsul.