Werewolf CXI - The Black Breath Ward - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Thinlómien · 11-06-2016, 10:34 AM

Well well well...

I have to say the game was eventually a lot more even than I thought it would be - we conspirators had a really disoriented start (oopsie) and by the end of Day2 I was already like "woe is me we should have a scheme all along we're never going to win this if the village isn't lynching anyone and the herbalist is saving everyone" and that desperation on Day3 or 4 was completely genuine "I've been unmotivated to play because I feel my hands are tied" - but by that point I had chilled down a bit and wasn't feeling the game wasn't so unbalanced after all. I think you villagers also played remarkably well which probably contributed to my early game angst.

But yes, it was hard to be a conspirator on this one. Consider the fact we had only TWO successful kills in the whole game (and correct me if I'm wrong, that was even without the bard succeeding a single time) and we gave the village two (eventually three) known innocents which is a big advantage in a village this small, especially when the vote goes through a representative. There was never a chance one of us could've plausibly become the rep and it was not only because we failed to seem hyper innocent. Also, claiming Black Breath would have been a suicidal strategy so there was really nothing to do to stop the herbalist...

And yeah the no lynching really sucked.

(I would have felt the same way as an ordo though tbh.) Maybe this is when I should apologise to Inzil for relentlessly trying to get him lynched all game? Sorry, but you were a very convenient target even though you didn't even do anything so suspicious!

Anyway, we did realise we had very little chance to outnumber the village by Day6, so we eventually settled on trying to bag the gifteds and win that way. Too bad getting people killed was quite hard in this game. I'd like to congratulate myself for pointing Kuru out to my fellows on Night3 (I was 90% sure he was gifted) and Shasta for insisting we kill Legate on Night5 and saying Lal and I could "beat him with brushes like a carpet" after the game if he wasn't the herbalist. *would add more smileys if I hadn't run out of the limit*

Lastly, you wanna know something hilarious? Our Night1 was pretty unorganized so I ended up sending an improvised kill to Sally so we wouldn't miss it. I felt bad for choosing to "cut someobody's game's short" before they even had the chance to post, but rules are rules, so I put the villagers' names into a randomizer and decided we should kill Lottie. Well, so much for feeling bad for cutting somebody's game short.............

Inziladun · 11-06-2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Maybe this is when I should apologise to Inzil for relentlessly trying to get him lynched all game? Sorry, but you were a very convenient target even though you didn't even do anything so suspicious!

Heh, no drama. Getting the good side lynched is what baddies do.

Thinlómien · 11-06-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

Heh, no drama. Getting the good side lynched is what baddies do.

Of couse.

But I'm too much of a goody two shoes in real life that intentionally misrepresenting people's behaviour always feels a bit wrong to me - be it "look how shady Inzil is he's just not making sense and distracting the village with his posts" or "look Lalaith is so confused she couldn't possibly be a wolf" (she really wasn't half as confused as I liked to claim she is, she only like asked about the rules once or twice).

Being a wolf is hard! Now who's going to mod the next game so I can get to be my goody two shoes self again?

And since I forgot to say it in the last post:

thanks Sally for the fun and suspenseful game and HAPPY DEATHDAY! <3

Lalaith · 11-06-2016, 05:43 PM

Hello again everyone, good to be back here as my normal non-evil self

Kuru you are quite right that you have all too often encountered me in lupine guise, in fact I can't remember the last time I played werewolf and wasn't a wolf.
Having said that I haven't played much at all over the last few years and my goodness I felt rusty during this game; I genuinely was confused about the rules - a clueless wolf indeed. I just couldn't think of any survival strategies at all, particularly when faced with Lottie the Deathless.
I did enjoy Shastas magnificent fight with Kuru though.
By the way Legate, I am clearly still being clueless but I am not sure how Lommy and I could have orchestrated a tie as we were still outnumbered and Lottie could have switched her vote? Plus having such a late deadline for Europeans made it hard to stage up-to-the-wire chicanery - although worse for you and Lommy than for me, I know.
Well done fellow conspirators, you deserved a better packmate than I was this game. Well done villagers, some fantastic clear-sighted gameplay there, a well-deserved win.
And thank you dear Sally, splendid and ever-charming modding!

Kuruharan · 11-07-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

Kuru you are quite right that you have all too often encountered me in lupine guise, in fact I can't remember the last time I played werewolf and wasn't a wolf.

And here I thought I was being all insightful...and I was actually just playing probabilities.

Lalaith · 11-07-2016, 10:33 AM

You could be both, dear thing!

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-07-2016, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

By the way Legate, I am clearly still being clueless but I am not sure how Lommy and I could have orchestrated a tie as we were still outnumbered and Lottie could have switched her vote? Plus having such a late deadline for Europeans made it hard to stage up-to-the-wire chicanery - although worse for you and Lommy than for me, I know.

If you are refering to the last Day, then it was hypothetical, of course - I did not know how many Wolves there were. You did, but we did not. Had there been three of you, it was a way for you to win. But even otherwise, in case there were, say, still doubts regarding Lottie or Kuru's innocence, or some innocent forgot to show up, and so on... But yeah, objectively, I guess it is more like the rule of "never split the vote when the numbers are close!"

Lalaith · 11-07-2016, 11:21 AM

Oh, I'm sure there would have been a way. I think Lottie's miraculous survival made me lose heart.

Kuruharan · 11-07-2016, 11:59 AM

It could have been done like this:

Because of Lottie's and my blunder in voting for each other, you and Lommy could have engineered a tie by voting for me. That way the vote would have (conceivably) have been tied at 3-3. In case of tied Rep votes there would be no Rep and thus no lynch. Then Lalaith would have still been alive but Legate would still pass on.

However, there is one thing about the rules I am unclear on, did the wolves get to submit a name for the Black Breath on NIGHT SIX? During the game I operated under the assumption that they did, but the final narration implies that they did not...and I guess since DAY SIX didn't go through to completion perhaps a NIGHT SIX Black Breath was superfluous..?

11-06-2016, 10:34 AM	#1
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Well well well... I have to say the game was eventually a lot more even than I thought it would be - we conspirators had a really disoriented start (oopsie) and by the end of Day2 I was already like "woe is me we should have a scheme all along we're never going to win this if the village isn't lynching anyone and the herbalist is saving everyone" and that desperation on Day3 or 4 was completely genuine "I've been unmotivated to play because I feel my hands are tied" - but by that point I had chilled down a bit and wasn't feeling the game wasn't so unbalanced after all. I think you villagers also played remarkably well which probably contributed to my early game angst. But yes, it was hard to be a conspirator on this one. Consider the fact we had only TWO successful kills in the whole game (and correct me if I'm wrong, that was even without the bard succeeding a single time) and we gave the village two (eventually three) known innocents which is a big advantage in a village this small, especially when the vote goes through a representative. There was never a chance one of us could've plausibly become the rep and it was not only because we failed to seem hyper innocent. Also, claiming Black Breath would have been a suicidal strategy so there was really nothing to do to stop the herbalist... And yeah the no lynching really sucked. (I would have felt the same way as an ordo though tbh.) Maybe this is when I should apologise to Inzil for relentlessly trying to get him lynched all game? Sorry, but you were a very convenient target even though you didn't even do anything so suspicious! Anyway, we did realise we had very little chance to outnumber the village by Day6, so we eventually settled on trying to bag the gifteds and win that way. Too bad getting people killed was quite hard in this game. I'd like to congratulate myself for pointing Kuru out to my fellows on Night3 (I was 90% sure he was gifted) and Shasta for insisting we kill Legate on Night5 and saying Lal and I could "beat him with brushes like a carpet" after the game if he wasn't the herbalist. would add more smileys if I hadn't run out of the limit Lastly, you wanna know something hilarious? Our Night1 was pretty unorganized so I ended up sending an improvised kill to Sally so we wouldn't miss it. I felt bad for choosing to "cut someobody's game's short" before they even had the chance to post, but rules are rules, so I put the villagers' names into a randomizer and decided we should kill Lottie. Well, so much for feeling bad for cutting somebody's game short............. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

11-06-2016, 05:43 PM	#4
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Hello again everyone, good to be back here as my normal non-evil self Kuru you are quite right that you have all too often encountered me in lupine guise, in fact I can't remember the last time I played werewolf and wasn't a wolf. Having said that I haven't played much at all over the last few years and my goodness I felt rusty during this game; I genuinely was confused about the rules - a clueless wolf indeed. I just couldn't think of any survival strategies at all, particularly when faced with Lottie the Deathless. I did enjoy Shastas magnificent fight with Kuru though. By the way Legate, I am clearly still being clueless but I am not sure how Lommy and I could have orchestrated a tie as we were still outnumbered and Lottie could have switched her vote? Plus having such a late deadline for Europeans made it hard to stage up-to-the-wire chicanery - although worse for you and Lommy than for me, I know. Well done fellow conspirators, you deserved a better packmate than I was this game. Well done villagers, some fantastic clear-sighted gameplay there, a well-deserved win. And thank you dear Sally, splendid and ever-charming modding! __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-07-2016, 10:33 AM	#6
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	You could be both, dear thing! __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-07-2016, 11:21 AM	#8
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Oh, I'm sure there would have been a way. I think Lottie's miraculous survival made me lose heart. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

11-07-2016, 11:59 AM	#9
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	It could have been done like this: Because of Lottie's and my blunder in voting for each other, you and Lommy could have engineered a tie by voting for me. That way the vote would have (conceivably) have been tied at 3-3. In case of tied Rep votes there would be no Rep and thus no lynch. Then Lalaith would have still been alive but Legate would still pass on. However, there is one thing about the rules I am unclear on, did the wolves get to submit a name for the Black Breath on NIGHT SIX? During the game I operated under the assumption that they did, but the final narration implies that they did not...and I guess since DAY SIX didn't go through to completion perhaps a NIGHT SIX Black Breath was superfluous..? __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...