Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Loslote]

Of course, it's likely the Ranger foiled a kill last Night - presumably for either Nerwen or Sally - and that pack would know a) that this is their window to finish that person off, and b) that in the case that the person they tried to kill was Sally, the Ranger would almost certainly be protecting Nerwen. The other pack, not knowing this, must of course go for Nerwen in this situation. If, on the other hand, the save last Night was Nerwen, I'm sure we'll have both packs pile onto her toNight. So I think we can probably assume that either Sally or Nerwen will die toNight.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I never thought you looked particularly guilty, but when you continued not to reveal minute after minute I really began to doubt you were the other Lover, because I couldn't figure why a Lover would allow himself to die (as opposed to at least taking a shot at a Wolf).

I hated not knowing stuff. And I was curious about the Dead thread. For all we (the living) know, all Gifteds could be dead and the Seer has more information than they could send--and there could even be bonus vote information transfer mishaps, like toDAY's. (And yeah, knowing that I have a way of getting information from the Dead also contributed to my not being as thorough with the list plan thingy as I could have.)

Now that I think about it realised that I could have just revealed myself and then hoped the Ranger could protect one of us. Then again, I didn't know if the Ranger's still alive. So yeah, it all come down to how I hated not knowing anything.</notJonSnow>

So anyway, who are we uncloaking (heh) toNIGHT?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Now that I think about it realised that I could have just revealed myself and then hoped the Ranger could protect one of us. Then again, I didn't know if the Ranger's still alive. So yeah, it all come down to how I hated not knowing anything.</notJonSnow>?

Really though, the narration implied you didn't die. Looking at you and sally, I don't think it will be difficult for the wolves to figure out you were her lover. I certainly hope the ranger will be there to protect her next night.

Anyway, choosing tonight's scry will now be easier for us as we don't need to worry about yesterday's lynch. I'm also inclined to think Lalaith is a good plan.

[the phantom]

I suppose the Village will be terribly curious and assume we'll scry Nilp?

Problem is they have too many unknowns, more than they can give us voting options for (Nog, Rune, Rikae, Lalaith, Nilp). So they'll have to cut at least someone- maybe two. Since it's been so long I would guess they'd cut Rune from the list first, particularly as his identity means so little in terms of voting & suspicion. So I'd say he's entirely off the table.

Nilp is off the table for us, but maybe not for them (depending on what happens tomorrow/tonight etc.).

Mac and/or Lottie- do you think Lalaith is a competing Wolf and want to find out if your opponent lost a member during the night?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Mac and/or Lottie- do you think Lalaith is a competing Wolf and want to find out if your opponent lost a member during the night?

I'd be willing to scry Lalaith. I'd also be interested in Rikae, but if we decide on Lalaith, that's fine, too. I'll vote with the majority on this one.

[the phantom]

Anyway, past my bedtime. I'll be around for the final 8 hours or so.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, past my bedtime. I'll be around for the final 8 hours or so.

Glad to see somebody else is staying up too late for werewolf.

I'm at work and have stuff in the evening so I can't contribute massively today.

[Nogrod]

Congrats for making it here Nilp - and welcome!

The darker side of all this is that you have to spend here one Day-phase (checked the rules again just to be sure) - so it means Sally will have to survive two Nights. Add to that the wolves have 24 hours to notice there is no lynch in the narration (no thunk or chop!) and they have Sally's revelation...

But thumbs up for her to make it somehow.


After all the confusion the result of our voting was pretty decent (voting Nerwen would have naturally ended the same way as she didn't vote) so all's well that ends well. But I'm somewhat confused why the Living don't seem to get it we can't all wait for the DL (5am in Finland fex.) or that we have a bunch of wolves here causing all kind of problems.

Now I must admit I'm really looking forwards who'll join us after the Night is over! This game seems to be finally gathering some momentum. This has been like this season in the GoT: first cool to open, then getting a bit lame until starting to gear up towards the end.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wellcome, Nilp-san!

Originally Posted by Rikae

I thought I made that pretty clear...?

I wanted Agan and Legate to feel comfortable voting for Shasta (according to Lommy's list at the time ) and going to bed, given that my own role was unknown. Didn't want them to worry I'd jump up at the last minute and ruin the vote.

Yeah, and I must take at least partly the blame. I was so thinking we might have a nice, decent voting there, and wanted the non-known innocents to vote first, Rikae kindly obliged, and right after that Lommy posted her "new and updated" list

But anyway, special thanks to the phantom for saving the day *glares at Mac and Lottie*

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Granted I started to believe it too half an hour ago when you didn't actually die in the narration.

If/when you go back to the living thread, can you YELL AT THEM NOT TO EVER LEAVE THE VOTE PLAN SO LATE!?!!!!!

Seconded. Though I hope after the no-empowerment this day, they might realise something was off. (I am actually pretty sure some of them know already and some are howling merrily about it, but hey. Could have been worse.)

Anyway, as for our check, I am also for Lalaith, like I said earlier. Nilp's coming here makes things much easier in that respect.

And I really hope Nilp makes it (resp sally makes it) for long enough to go back. Let's hope.

[Aganzir]

++Lalaith

I'd prefer to know her role sooner rather than later, especially as I won't be around a lot today. That way at least we can do some constructive analysis.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I'm sorry, giving your vote to another person for them to use is not allowed.

I know the deadline is hard on the Europeans and I am very sorry about that.

If only the earth was flat...

I found your house.

[Kuruharan]

No you didn't. My house looks nothing like that.

However, now somebody in the suburbs of Richmond, Virginia (judging from the housing style) will be very confused waking up this morning to having ++Kuruharan spray painted on their garage...and that's kinda funny.

EDIT: I'm surprised nobody make an uncloaking joke before now.

[Nogrod]

List of possible checking-candidates in some kind of order (from least reasonable to the most reasonable).

A Little Green (Prey) - A mod-comfirmed goodie
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey) - A mod-comfirmed goodie

Aganzir - All the facts known to us point at her being the hunter.

Nilpaurion Felagund - Self-confessed lover who's role will be known if he goes back to the Living thread in 72 hours.

Loslote - Self-confessed wolf.
Macalaure - Wolf named by Nerwen and somewhat comfirmed by his own actions.


Rune Son of Bjarne - No reason to think this or that, but totally vanishing makes one to think him an ordo - also very little to learn from his alignment.
Nogrod - An ordo known to himself to be one, not very much to learn from his alignment, but mayhaps the D1 -wagon (well you'd know it was a wagon between an ordo and most probably a hunter)


Firefoot - Ordo by Nerwen in stronger terms than the phantom ("pretty sure" vs. "looks"), then again there are both grounded suspicions and a wolf's head-on attack to consider. Might be good to check Nerwen's actual role first (so not checking her toNight)?

the phantom - If Nerwen is the seer (or someone receiving the dreams) it is possible he's a known (or guessed) innocent, but there is an amount of confusion there (like this riddle-stuff & al.) I wouldn't establish at any rate right now. Seeing how he dances around the DL and so vehemently trusted by some it might be good to know for sure (but Nerwen's role might shed light on him as well so maybe not toNight?).


Rikae - Could be anything with a longer trail in the thread than people above her in the list. A decently good pick.

Lalaith - The most enigmatic one and a long trail. One of our best bets.


Conclusion: I'm okay with Lalaith and Rikae, could be persuaded to tp or Firefoot but might wish to see my arguments (could wait for Nerwen's role) beaten before that.

[Firefoot]

No point in sitting on it then.

++Lalaith

[A Little Green]

Yesterday was obviously a good day to miss. What a mess. I'm more or less caught up on both threads and agree that Lalaith is probably our best bet toNight.

Also, if the Living keep leaving their voting plans that late, I'm not sure I can risk voting in the first place. YesterDay could have been a disaster (thanks guys for handling it that well!), and toMorrow might be worse especially if we have more than two known wolvsies in here by then. I second Agan - Nilp my dear, do scold them for us if you go back, won't you?

Incidentally, does someone have an up-to-date list of known and unknown roles, both living and dead? I think I'm in need of one, but feel too lazy to make one


EDIT: x-ed with Nog and Firefoot! Yay, company!

[Lalaith]

Lalaith - The most enigmatic one and a long trail. One of our best bets.

Well, self-reflection is always fascinating but I would of course rather find out all about Rikae or indeed you, dear Nog. All I know about you is that you are very generous and your Sancerre is quite delicious. Such an enormous glass, it sent me to sleep before the live thread had sorted themselves and their list out...phantom I'm not too worried about as Nerwen seems to have cleared him?

[Nogrod]

I'm holding my vote still before a few more voices gather around even if it feels pretty straightforward toNight - but if there is a major argument yet to come by someone we haven't yet realised I wouldn't like to cast my vote quite yet.

That said, I'd really appreciate getting to bed in some actually decent time tonight. I felt I went out soo early yesterday (almost feeling guilty) - but it was already 1.30am here then. So maybe a bit earlier today - especially if there is no big thing going on about anything major...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Incidentally, does someone have an up-to-date list of known and unknown roles, both living and dead? I think I'm in need of one, but feel too lazy to make one

I'm actually feeling I'd need to go back and check what Nerwen has actually been saying so I might actually like to do that... (and hey, a good reason not to do the dishes!)


EDIT: You can check the dead on my post above.

[Loslote]

++Lalaith

[A Little Green]

The Dead

Unknown:
Nogrod
Rune Son of Bjarne
Rikae
Lalaith

Wolves:
Loslote
Macalaure

Innocents (?):
the phantom (hinted at by Nerwen)
Firefoot (likewise)
Nilpaurion Felagund (self-proclaimed Lover, I guess we'll find out soon enough)
Aganzir (probable Hunter)
A Little Green (Prey)
Legate of Amon Lanc (Prey)


The Living

Possibly have a role:
satansaloser2005 (self-proclaimed Lover)
Boromir88 (self-proclaimed Itch-Man)
Nerwen (self-proclaimed PM-receiver/psychic/something?)

Confused about these three (some of the villagers seemed to think Nerwen had cleared them or at least asked not to vote for them, but I read Nerwen's post about them as personal opinion rather than relayed information):
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Shastanis Althreduin

Other living things:
Formendacil
McCaber
mormegil
Mithalwen
Kath


Am I up to date with this? I skimmed more than read parts of both threads so I might be missing something.


EDIT: x-ed with Lottie

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

EDIT: I'm surprised nobody make an uncloaking joke before now.

Yeah I was disappointed about that as well.

Btw, Legate-san, were you the one who taught Lommy the word 'kawaii'? If so...

Was about to make a list for Greenie, but I see she already did that. Hers is way more detailed, so I'll not post mine. (We basically have the same information, except I put Nerwen's DAY 4 'forgotten' trio (Shasta, Lommy, Aimé) in my 'Innocent Alive' subheading. And I could be illiterate.)

Nigh 2 AM now in Southeast Asia, so I'm hitting the sack. Will cast my vote the next morning.

EDIT: X'ed with Noggie, DAY 3 -> DAY 4

[Nogrod]

Greenie: Looks pretty much as it stands. With the reservation on the three some people thought were "cleared". I'm just trying to understand that thing myself as well...

[Rikae]

Well, for reasons given previously:

++Lalaith

Sadly I doubt Sally will make it through two nights and give Nilp the chance to yell at the living for us... but who knows.

[Nogrod]

Nerwen's seer / PM-receiver -run


On the Day before yesterDay

She doesn’t want Sally lynched and curses their need of information several times.

She asks the view of others first on Lottie alone, then on nilp and Lottie, on Eomer and Firefoot, and finally on Boro and late-Macalaure (all duets in separate posts).

THen in the infamous post #500 she tells having received a PM telling Lottie & Mac are wolves and says she doesn't know anything else but that she received the PM from the mod.


YesterDay

She goes on posting as a normal villager (with a few remarks to her odd-role though) aka. making specualtions on posts (fex. suspecting Lalaith) when suddenly dropping the

Originally Posted by Nerwen on #618

Pretty sure Firefoot was innocent, though- can't hurt to let you know that.

Then she says, that assuming Boro and Sally speak the truth, the remaining wolves should be found among the following list:
Formendacil
McCaber
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Mithalwen
Kath

Which list then leaves Lommy, Eomer and Shasta unaccounted for. She then actually anwers morm's question of leaving then out with:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Of course. They're cute. Lommy is a dear little penguin, Eomer is a fluffy-widdle puppy warg, and sure you don't expect me to lynch my king?

She also talks about having to open some riddles on this Day...

Only after that she makes this posting:

Originally Posted by Nerwen #641

Did I mention it looks as though tp was indeed innocent?

After which she says she will probably not get any more messages and asks the ranger to do something more useful as the Night comes...

So what to think of it all? I'll think about it in a separate message.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm holding my vote still before a few more voices gather around even if it feels pretty straightforward toNight - but if there is a major argument yet to come by someone we haven't yet realised I wouldn't like to cast my vote quite yet.

We're a catacomb of 10 I think, and at the moment there are 4 votes for Lalaith. I doubt there's going to be an argument.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Sadly I doubt Sally will make it through two nights and give Nilp the chance to yell at the living for us... but who knows.

Me too, sadly.

[Nogrod]

Just thinking then.

She gives us two wolves (more or less confirmed by their actions) on one Day (one already dead, one living as she declared them).

The next Day she gives us one innocent (who thence died by Night), more or less gives other three by ignorance (leaving them out of the list of where to find the wolves & jokingly defending them when asked) and as an extra one long dead innocent.

That makes 7 - among them both dead and living (at the time she mentioned them) or just four (2 dead, 2 living) but with fex. tp dying already on N2 it doesn't seem to make sense.

I'm not sure what to make of this.

If she is the Seer this is superb playing, walking the tightrope between giving as much info as possible (from 8 dreams) while remaining an enigma to the wolves... well to everyone.

Other option of course is that she is of a more sinister kind and either has some info or just got lucky with at least Lottie.

What kind of bothers me is that if we should read her posting as her revealing 7 roles it's interesting only two of them were dead when she claimed them (Mac the Night just before and tp on the first game-Night). With half the population here in the Dead Thread you'd think the dreams would have fallen a bit more evenly (even if the seer of course can decide every Night not to pick any already dead) - or maybe the maths work in some other way my intuition would tell me.

Also it is interesting that she first wails very strongly the lack of information and suddenly starts to produce it, a lot.

I hope she is the seer but I'm not totally convinced she is one (that's good actually if she is one, it means she is playing it well).


Btw. could it be possible there was such a role-messing that the seer would be a different person every Night but there would be one mouthpiece who'd receive all the dreams? Well, of course it is possible, but could it explain something, like the lack of a more "normal" seer-revelation?

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. could it be possible there was such a role-messing that the seer would be a different person every Night but there would be one mouthpiece who'd receive all the dreams?

That's an interesting idea for future werewolf games: The seer doesn't pick their own dreams, but others do it for them. The people who send the dreams would have no reason not to reveal who they picked (unless, for example, you give the power to the most recent wolf-kill), which would add some new mechanics to the game.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Also, if the Living keep leaving their voting plans that late, I'm not sure I can risk voting in the first place. YesterDay could have been a disaster (thanks guys for handling it that well!), and toMorrow might be worse especially if we have more than two known wolvsies in here by then. I second Agan - Nilp my dear, do scold them for us if you go back, won't you?

Personally, I really hope they will notice something was wrong and not repeat that mistake. Wishful thinking maybe, but, hey, there is always hope.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That said, I'd really appreciate getting to bed in some actually decent time tonight. I felt I went out soo early yesterday (almost feeling guilty) - but it was already 1.30am here then. So maybe a bit earlier today - especially if there is no big thing going on about anything major...

*ahem* Same for me. You actually at least went to sleep at the time you announced.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Confused about these three (some of the villagers seemed to think Nerwen had cleared them or at least asked not to vote for them, but I read Nerwen's post about them as personal opinion rather than relayed information):
Thinlómien
Eomer of the Rohirrim
Shastanis Althreduin

Indeed. I don't know what it is that people always seem to assume that if a Seer (or somebody who claims to be something similar) lists someone among the people she thinks innocent, they automatically assume it is a dream. It annoyed me mightily sometimes how people were interpreting my "dreams" in this game. Of course, usually majority of that is Wolf-work.

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Btw, Legate-san, were you the one who taught Lommy the word 'kawaii'?

Actually, not. In fact, I have absolutely no idea where she had picked that from. You'll have to ask her yourself (hopefully when you come back to the Living, for instance).

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Other option of course is that she is of a more sinister kind and either has some info or just got lucky with at least Lottie.

Or if she and Lottie are packmates; that would be literally a killer. But let's hope not.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. could it be possible there was such a role-messing that the seer would be a different person every Night but there would be one mouthpiece who'd receive all the dreams? Well, of course it is possible, but could it explain something, like the lack of a more "normal" seer-revelation?

Oho! Well some time ago I have been thinking about something similar, but then I really think it's a bit overcombined. But then again, what Nerwen says is already fairly overcombined.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

That's an interesting idea for future werewolf games: The seer doesn't pick their own dreams, but others do it for them. The people who send the dreams would have no reason not to reveal who they picked (unless, for example, you give the power to the most recent wolf-kill), which would add some new mechanics to the game.

Should note that down, certainly. If you want to Mod sometime soon yourself, you can even use it...

And forgot to mention, I am basically also for checking Lalaith toNight. My preferences are basically in the same order as Nog listed them.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I am basically also for checking Lalaith toNight. My preferences are basically in the same order as Nog listed them.

I might like to go to sleep in something like two hours, so if anyone has any major ideas why we shouldn't check Lalaith, please come forwards before that for the next two votes, if going to her, will seal our choice.

Now it can be changed (4/10), with one more there is the haunted chance of a tie, with two more votes it's a done deal.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

We're a catacomb of 10 I think, and at the moment there are 4 votes for Lalaith. I doubt there's going to be an argument.

Excuse me my disinformation. It was my fault believing this...

So we're 12.

Forget my calculations on the post above.

4/12 now for Lalaith.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Excuse me my disinformation. It was my fault believing this...

So we're 12.

Forget my calculations on the post above.

4/12 now for Lalaith.

Whoops sorry, no idea where I got that 10! Thanks for the correction.

[Rikae]

At least I'm not the only one who can't count after death! I don't think Kuru is making any effort to preserve our brains. All he had to do was throw 'em in a freezer, how hard is that?

Incidentally... whenever I see the title of this thread, I have to think of:

[A Little Green]

Bedtime!

++ Lalaith

[the phantom]

Back. I'll try to get caught up over the next half hour.

[Macalaure]

Originally Posted by Legate

Personally, I really hope they will notice something was wrong and not repeat that mistake.

Maybe they won't make the mistake of making a list at all this time.

[Macalaure]

Living A: This is the second time we're not getting any info from the dead.

Living B: Yeah, I wish I knew what's going on over there.

Living A: Maybe there's a ton of wolves in there, making it hard.

Living B: But if the wolves managed to tie the vote twice, how can we tell whether the innocents voted as intended on Day 3?

Living A: I don't think we can. We shouldn't take Greenie's innocence for granted. Maybe Legate was the seer after all!

Living B: Then again, with so many wolves over there, it looks like we've almost won the game.

Living A: I think so, too, it's looking pretty good.

Living B: So, are we going to write another one of those lists up toDay?

Living A: Meh, why bother.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nog

This has been like this season in the GoT: first cool to open, then getting a bit lame until starting to gear up towards the end.

Indeed, and in that spirit, perhaps we should take a likable proven innocent, perhaps Greenie, and tie her up and burn her alive.

Originally Posted by Nog

I'm okay with Lalaith and Rikae, could be persuaded to tp or Firefoot but might wish to see my arguments (could wait for Nerwen's role) beaten before that.

I sincerely hope you couldn't actually be persuaded to test Firefoot or I. Or are you just offering a ray of hope to Lalaith to see if she'll grab at it?

Now, I could still be persuaded to check you though.

Ooo, and look at that- Lottie voted for Lalaith. Doesn't it warm your heart to see us finding some common ground with the fury folk?

More in a bit...

[the phantom]

NERWEN DREAMS: (order guessed)

Night 1- Phantom, Shasta
Night 2- Boro, Lottie
Night 3- Mac, Lommy
Night 4- Firefoot, Eomer

DREAM INNOCENT:

Phantom
Shasta
Boro
Lommy
Firefoot
Eomer

SCRY INNOCENT:

Green
Legate

ASSUMED INNOCENT:

Nerwen
Nilp
Sally
Agan

WOLVES:

Lottie
Mac

UNKNOWN DEAD:

Lalaith
Nog
Rikae

UNKNOWN LIVING:

Morm
Form
Mith
Kath
McCaber

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Ooo, and look at that- Lottie voted for Lalaith. Doesn't it warm your heart to see us finding some common ground with the fury folk?

It might be thus far the only thing that could persuade me to rethink voting Lalaith. But then again, the power of rivalry is a great power as well...

Seeing as I do that this time Lottie went quite unseremoniously and with zero-banter quickly just into voting might of course talk of Rikae being someone we should rather check - but getting thus steered by a wolf probably isn't the brightest idea especially if we hold our capability of making a vote dear.

With 2 out of 3 of our known innocents voting already I'd not like to start any new scheming at this point unless urgently necessary because of some really vital info - oh well, just a minute with Mac yet around and Rune possibly not I think the time of lsitening to any new ideas is actually over.

Therefore

++ Lalaith