Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[the phantom]

Well, well, this just teaches me to generally trust first impressions, right?

I never thought you looked particularly guilty, but when you continued not to reveal minute after minute I really began to doubt you were the other Lover, because I couldn't figure why a Lover would allow himself to die (as opposed to at least taking a shot at a Wolf). The back-from-dead thing is merely a perk in case Lovers are night killed- the true power of Lovers is the fact that they can prove one another and thus are the same as having two additional Seer-dreamed innocents removed from the possible lynching suspects. But anyway, we still should be able to win this.

If there's still two packs alive let's see how Nilp would return from the Dead-
(1) Both packs go for Nerwen tonight, are foiled by the Ranger, and return for her the following night.
(2) The packs go for Nerwen & Boro, one of them is foiled by the Ranger, the last of one of the packs is lynched tomorrow, and the other pack re-attempts the kill the following night.

I would've put an option for Sally being the kill tonight and the Ranger stopping it, but seriously, how can the WWs not try and kill Nerwen? One more double-dream and the WWs will be as good as dead. So yeah, at this stage maybe Nilp will get to return to the Living because his partner isn't a priority target. But he'll have to wait another day-night cycle and it's possible the game will be over by then depending on what happens with the lynch, the night-kills, and the assassin role.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

May I suggest that it won't accomplish very much for the dead to give a vote to Lottie?

I was going to suggest we empower Lottie when I saw Lommy's list but apparently forgot about it.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now I'm just going to skim the thread before voting. One thing I'd like to suggest is that toMorrow we try to set up a way of asking about Living players? What do you think?

Good planning. Especially if the seer will be dead.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Ach, Lommy was sleepy when she made that list. It won't affect anything.

And we weren't sleepy at all when the living wasted hours changing lists.

[Loslote]

Of course, it's likely the Ranger foiled a kill last Night - presumably for either Nerwen or Sally - and that pack would know a) that this is their window to finish that person off, and b) that in the case that the person they tried to kill was Sally, the Ranger would almost certainly be protecting Nerwen. The other pack, not knowing this, must of course go for Nerwen in this situation. If, on the other hand, the save last Night was Nerwen, I'm sure we'll have both packs pile onto her toNight. So I think we can probably assume that either Sally or Nerwen will die toNight.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I never thought you looked particularly guilty, but when you continued not to reveal minute after minute I really began to doubt you were the other Lover, because I couldn't figure why a Lover would allow himself to die (as opposed to at least taking a shot at a Wolf).

I hated not knowing stuff. And I was curious about the Dead thread. For all we (the living) know, all Gifteds could be dead and the Seer has more information than they could send--and there could even be bonus vote information transfer mishaps, like toDAY's. (And yeah, knowing that I have a way of getting information from the Dead also contributed to my not being as thorough with the list plan thingy as I could have.)

Now that I think about it realised that I could have just revealed myself and then hoped the Ranger could protect one of us. Then again, I didn't know if the Ranger's still alive. So yeah, it all come down to how I hated not knowing anything.</notJonSnow>

So anyway, who are we uncloaking (heh) toNIGHT?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Now that I think about it realised that I could have just revealed myself and then hoped the Ranger could protect one of us. Then again, I didn't know if the Ranger's still alive. So yeah, it all come down to how I hated not knowing anything.</notJonSnow>?

Really though, the narration implied you didn't die. Looking at you and sally, I don't think it will be difficult for the wolves to figure out you were her lover. I certainly hope the ranger will be there to protect her next night.

Anyway, choosing tonight's scry will now be easier for us as we don't need to worry about yesterday's lynch. I'm also inclined to think Lalaith is a good plan.

[the phantom]

I suppose the Village will be terribly curious and assume we'll scry Nilp?

Problem is they have too many unknowns, more than they can give us voting options for (Nog, Rune, Rikae, Lalaith, Nilp). So they'll have to cut at least someone- maybe two. Since it's been so long I would guess they'd cut Rune from the list first, particularly as his identity means so little in terms of voting & suspicion. So I'd say he's entirely off the table.

Nilp is off the table for us, but maybe not for them (depending on what happens tomorrow/tonight etc.).

Mac and/or Lottie- do you think Lalaith is a competing Wolf and want to find out if your opponent lost a member during the night?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Mac and/or Lottie- do you think Lalaith is a competing Wolf and want to find out if your opponent lost a member during the night?

I'd be willing to scry Lalaith. I'd also be interested in Rikae, but if we decide on Lalaith, that's fine, too. I'll vote with the majority on this one.

[the phantom]

Anyway, past my bedtime. I'll be around for the final 8 hours or so.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, past my bedtime. I'll be around for the final 8 hours or so.

Glad to see somebody else is staying up too late for werewolf.

I'm at work and have stuff in the evening so I can't contribute massively today.

[Nogrod]

Congrats for making it here Nilp - and welcome!

The darker side of all this is that you have to spend here one Day-phase (checked the rules again just to be sure) - so it means Sally will have to survive two Nights. Add to that the wolves have 24 hours to notice there is no lynch in the narration (no thunk or chop!) and they have Sally's revelation...

But thumbs up for her to make it somehow.


After all the confusion the result of our voting was pretty decent (voting Nerwen would have naturally ended the same way as she didn't vote) so all's well that ends well. But I'm somewhat confused why the Living don't seem to get it we can't all wait for the DL (5am in Finland fex.) or that we have a bunch of wolves here causing all kind of problems.

Now I must admit I'm really looking forwards who'll join us after the Night is over! This game seems to be finally gathering some momentum. This has been like this season in the GoT: first cool to open, then getting a bit lame until starting to gear up towards the end.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Wellcome, Nilp-san!

Originally Posted by Rikae

I thought I made that pretty clear...?

I wanted Agan and Legate to feel comfortable voting for Shasta (according to Lommy's list at the time ) and going to bed, given that my own role was unknown. Didn't want them to worry I'd jump up at the last minute and ruin the vote.

Yeah, and I must take at least partly the blame. I was so thinking we might have a nice, decent voting there, and wanted the non-known innocents to vote first, Rikae kindly obliged, and right after that Lommy posted her "new and updated" list

But anyway, special thanks to the phantom for saving the day *glares at Mac and Lottie*

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Granted I started to believe it too half an hour ago when you didn't actually die in the narration.

If/when you go back to the living thread, can you YELL AT THEM NOT TO EVER LEAVE THE VOTE PLAN SO LATE!?!!!!!

Seconded. Though I hope after the no-empowerment this day, they might realise something was off. (I am actually pretty sure some of them know already and some are howling merrily about it, but hey. Could have been worse.)

Anyway, as for our check, I am also for Lalaith, like I said earlier. Nilp's coming here makes things much easier in that respect.

And I really hope Nilp makes it (resp sally makes it) for long enough to go back. Let's hope.

[Aganzir]

++Lalaith

I'd prefer to know her role sooner rather than later, especially as I won't be around a lot today. That way at least we can do some constructive analysis.