Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Mithalwen]

I suppose an useful one would have been too much to ask for? sigh..

[Macalaure]

Looking pretty innocent to me:
Rikae
Lommy
Lalaith
Eomer
Mithalwen

Leaning innocent:
McCaber
Boromir (buying his explanation about the innocent slip)
mormegil
Nilp (the wolf-on-wolf comment about Lommy-Agan is the only thing I have on him)
Legate (still don't like that one post of his earlier toDay, but otherwise I don't see anything)
Greenie

Still under the radar:
Kath

Undecided:
Formendacil (behavior is somewhat suspicious, but that self-vote...)
Nerwen
Shasta

Somewhat suspicious:
Sally (her case against Rune and some general uneasiness)
Lottie (her behavior around the Agan-Lommy argument resulting in her vote yesterDay, and her jumping on morm toDay)
Firefoot (throwing shady suspicions at me and then jumping on it when I argued against them, only reason she's in this group and not one up is because I'm worried about being kneejerk)

Fairly suspicious:
Aganzir (reason stated all over the place)

I'm surprised Agan voted for Greenie. She suspected me, too, and I already had more votes.

Reason tells me the case against Agan is clear, but my gut hesitates. I don't like any of the present alternatives, though, especially since one of those alternatives is me.

[satansaloser2005]

Speaking of falling asleep....

[Rikae]

Firefoot

Day 1
5 - 25% chance of nailing a baddie today
8 - Banter
37 - wants to orchestrate vote to ensure a tie
51 -Reiterates that she wants a tie
200 - Unsure who seems more suspicions of Lommy/Agan, Nog probably innocent because of role confusion
207 - Admitted throw-away vote for Gwath

Day 2
252 - why innocents and wolves would/would not want to tie. Seems not to conclude much from it (gives reasons on all sides), but finds Lottie, Mac & McCaber suspicious.
253 - Getting bad vibes from me, gives no reason.
280 - Suspicious of the Nogawagon
284 - Says Mac is being defensive
348 -

Originally Posted by Firefoot

I apologize if I seem wishy-washy; the real problem is that I just don't have enough time to dig through the massive number of posts in this thread to make good analyses, but I don't want to be absent either, so I've mostly just been posting impressions.

I can relate to that when pressed for time, but still, the result is pretty indistinguishable from safe-under-reindeer-wolvery.
352 - Suspicion list. Lottie, Mac & McCaber still top suspects (as in her first post).

Conclusions: very safe, very under-the-radar, but otherwise seems innocent enough.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

On Lommy

#70 - Comes out as anti-tie, queries the wisdom of instructing the dead thread, and "smells Freud" in regards to Agan (the start of the infamous slip-fest). Again, re-reading it, I may be naive but it seems like a pretty straightforward Agan-esque joke to me.

#129 - Clarifies where she's coming from re: Agan, and I can kind of see where she's coming from in that the joke itself can kind of be read in two different lights ('lynching' vs 'killing' and the derivative of 'we'). Weirdly enough, I get the impression that had Agan reacted to the alternate reading ('lynching' vs 'killing'), Lommy would have been okay with it? Except to me they seem relatively the same. Perhaps I'm just reading into it differently. Anyway, Lommy uses this as the basis for suspecting Agan due to reacting a bit too wolvishly (I think?) She also mentions always suspecting Lottie on Day 1, although I don't think anything ever came of this. I agree with her statements about not wasting lynch opportunities. I also basically agree with everything she's said thus far about the dead thread -

Originally Posted by Lommy

I disagree. We cannot control the Dead Thread. I've been thinking about this and what I would do if I died and had to vote on the dead thread. First off, I would be likely to start lazing because following two threads and general frustration at being dead, ugh. (I'm being honest here.) Being the good citizen I am, I'd still probably get as far as voting. Now, would I follow the instructions of the living? Possibly, unless we dead people had a better idea. How to convey that to the living? And - I'm emphasizing this again - whose instructions would I follow? Say, the phantom suggests a course of action for the dead thread. Six living people state they agree. Four state they disagree. The rest don't comment. Now, are the living to assume the dead then followed the instructions? How could they know? Or what if two living players had two different ideas for what the dead should do and there was no clear consensus? Whose idea would the dead follow then? And how would the living ever deduce whose idea the dead went with?

Seriously, unless we elect a living village spokesperson or something, there's no way of clearly communicating with the dead. The best we can do is probably use our knowledge of the personalities and the playing styles of the deceased and try to guess what those particular players would do, but that's a little risky. In short, we shouldn't make decisions based on how we can use the dead thread until we have found a way to do so, because it's possible we'll never find one.

#133 - More about the dead thread.

#139 - Lommy makes a list of everyone. It's worth noting that the only person in her "The Bad" category besides Agan is Sally, for -

Originally Posted by Lommy

in a manner that makes me think of sneaky Sallywolves of the past

However, in her "The Ugly" category there are a number of people who appear to also be under the radar, including Gwath, McCaber, Boro, and Kath. It's also worth noting that Lommy adds Agan's position on tying the lynch (she's pro-tie) to reasons to suspect her.

#145 - More about the dead thread and the plan to get information from it.

#157 - Lommy really cements her suspicion of Agan here, adding Agan's defensiveness (which, again, I tend to agree with, whatever the reason) to her reasoning. Honestly, the more I read Lommy's posts the more I see where she's coming from. It is possible an Aganwolf was trying to handwave Lommy's suspicion of her by painting her as silly. I can't really speak with certainty for why Agan might have made a slip (if indeed it is one), but -

Originally Posted by Lommy

If you were innocent, you wouldn't be half as annoyed by me remarking on your wolvish perspective, and I suspect you're just enjoying your wolfing in this game with a nice pack and even the tiniest prospect that your enjoyment might be cut short both makes you fight back and gets on your nerves because you dislike being "busted" on something so trivial, especially if you indeed intentionally chose to comment on morm's joke from that angle and I was accusing you on the wrong grounds.

is kinda plausible, I guess. (I admit my first reaction to rereading this is what I'd say if she talked to me like this - "How do you know what I would and would not do in a given situation? You're not me." )



Given that we're so close to DL, I'm going to go ahead and post the first part of this. I haven't seen Lommy really suspect anyone else, which was the main reason I came back to do this in the first place, but I do admit to being a bit more suspicion of Agan now. I have to wonder if the main reason I want to think Agan is innocent is that I'm an emotional player like she is.

[Firefoot]

Getting close to the deadline, so for previously stated reasons:

++Macalaure

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Lottie -> morm
Nerwen -> Mac
Greenie -> Agan
Lalaith -> Agan(2)
Lommy -> Agan(3)
Legate -> Green
Caber -> Agan(4)
morm -> Mac(2)
Agan -> Green(2)
Mac -> Agan(5)
Firefoot -> Mac(3)

And my vote make it six for

++Aganzir

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Given that we're so close to DL, I'm going to go ahead and post the first part of this. I haven't seen Lommy really suspect anyone else, which was the main reason I came back to do this in the first place, but I do admit to being a bit more suspicion of Agan now. I have to wonder if the main reason I want to think Agan is innocent is that I'm an emotional player like she is.

My recent back-and-forth with Agan here I was trying to press to her a bit, because she's been dropping signs around that she knows more, or is more than an ordo. And even though there seems to be frustration that her jests have been scrutinized, I was letting her know she should know by now that's how this dance works. Everything comes under scrutiny, and she shouldn't be surprised when she willingly attracts attention that she becomes the focus of the scrutiny.

She stopped short of any reveal (true or false) which could mean she's a wolf and sees the writing on the wall, or has become frustrated to the point that she's ready to join the Dead.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My recent back-and-forth with Agan here I was trying to press to her a bit, because she's been dropping signs around that she knows more, or is more than an ordo. And even though there seems to be frustration that her jests have been scrutinized, I was letting her know she should know by now that's how this dance works. Everything comes under scrutiny, and she shouldn't be surprised when she willingly attracts attention that she becomes the focus of the scrutiny.

She stopped short of any reveal (true or false) which could mean she's a wolf and sees the writing on the wall, or has become frustrated to the point that she's ready to join the Dead.

Is she even around, to have a chance to reveal? It is 5 am there.

[Rikae]

Well, for what it's worth:

++A Little Green

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Is she even around, to have a chance to reveal? It is 5 am there.

This was probably about an hour ago, before she voted. Her last post, along voting for Greenie:

I'm sorry about my lack of participation today, it's the combined result of being busy and having got way way way too little sleep these last several days. I promise to be better tomorrow if I'm still here, and if I'm not, well, do consider taking a look at the people who made it happen. *sprays mouth with silver paint*

[Boromir88]

++Aganzir

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

++AGANZIR

Because maybe I'm blind and there is something up with her. I still don't see it, really. But by now I think we need to find out her role. Not that we will, anytime soon, but...

Most suspicious of Legate, though.