Ten Year Anniversary Game: Living Thread

[Macalaure]

Nerwen's “And Mac and Mith just sort of crawl on to the waggon.” irked me, so I looked back to refresh my memory of events, and then I got carried away and it turned into this.

Agan, Lommy, and everyone around.

#66 Agan jokes about killing Europeans
#67 morm jokes back
#69 Agan misunderstands morm's joke in a way that, to me, strongly suggests a wolf slip
#70 Lommy crosses with Agan, and in the edit is immediately notices it
#74 Greenie thinks Agan was trolling, not slipping
Then the whole thing disappears for a whole stretch of time. Nobody comments on it on page 3 at all.
#123,127 Agan posts, not commenting on Lommy's #70
#129 Lommy returns and makes her case against Agan. A case that I consider solid.
#131 Yours truly lists Agan as suspicious, refering to #69 (crossing with Lommy, which in light of Nerwen's suspicion is probably important)
#139 Lommy lists Agan as suspicious
#144 Agan replies to Lommy's case. Now she does quote #70. She states she understood morm's joke and simply continued it (could be). She also asks what a wolf would gain from her behavior, which doesn't make sense, since the accusation is about a wolf slip.
#150 morm says that he took Agan's #69 as a joke, but that her behavior since raises eyebrows
#155 Agan votes Lommy.
#157 Lommy votes Agan and defends her case. Some of her point 3) seems a bit far-fetched. It's worth noting that Lommy is still around afterwards to make a few more posts.
#159 morm states again that Agan is behaving oddly
#165 Shasta states that he didn't see Agan's slip, but suspects her due to her reaction
#166 Lommy replies to Agan one last time.
#168 Yours truly states his intent to vote for Agan
#170 Form says that their argument is fishy, but that we will only see the truth in a few Days. States they could both be wolves, one could be a wolf, or both could be innocent (duh), but suspects one is a wolf (maybe I thought was most likely innocent too quickly, because this post looks bad)
#172 Nogrod takes up Lommy's case
#174 McCaber says he didn't like Lommy's reaction, but felt it innocent. Agan's reaction felt opportunistic/trying to provoce reaction to him.
#178 After not commenting on the exchange in his detailed list before, Legate now comments. If one is a wolf, it's Agan to him, but most likely both innocent.
#181 Nog votes Agan, not mentioning the argument, but citing different reasons (doesn't mean he discarded the older points, and is probably just adding to them?)
#182 Mith comments on a different post of Agan, suspecting misinformation by her (smelling a bandwaggon and trying to jump on without being too obvious about it? Nah, I think she's genuine.)
#184 Rikae says Agan-Lommy looks wolf-on-wolf, no explanation
#186 list by Form: Lommy too defensive but probably innocent, Agan more innocent than guilty
#188 I'm feeling like repeating myself and say that I'm still going to vote for Agan
#190 Form votes himself. Also thinks that Agan could be guilty, but not strongly enough.
#193 Mith votes Agan
#194 tp needs stuff explained to him
#196 Lottie sees where the Agan suspicions come from, but she's not her top choice
#197 tp wants to vote Nog over Agan/Form, but only with support
#200 Firefoot thinks the argument was odd, but doesn't know which looks more suspicious
#202 Lottie offers to go along with tp
#203 Eomer thinks both Lommy and Agan are most likely innocent
#204 McCaber votes Agan. Out of the ones he'd considered, she had the best chance of getting lynched
#205 Lottie tells Eomer not to count Lommy/Agan out just because they were loud
#206 Boro calls Agan's #69 an innocent(!) Freudian slip
#208 Rikae says she suspected Agan earlier but doesn't now anymore (but Agan hasn't posted in a while, what changed your mind?) Lists Lommy as an option for her
#210 Nilp “echoes others' sentiment that it looks wolf-on-wolf” (thought Nilp was pretty innocent so far, but I'm not liking this one that much)
#215 Rikae votes for Lommy
#216 I vote for Agan
#220 Lottie feels more strongly about Nogrod than Agan and votes him
#222 Eomer votes for Nogrod because he doesn't buy into Lommy/Agan wolfness (could have picked Form earlier on)
#223 Shasta votes for Nogrod since he's more suspicious than Agan, though it seems like they are both good options to him

Ugh, not going to do the same for toDay, as I originally thought I'd do.

Thoughts:
I still think Agan is most likely a wolf, but I'll grant that there's a possibility that she's innocent. But why then was she so upset about Lommy's suspicion? It just makes more sense for a wolf who messed up.
I don't see why Lommy is suspicious to some people, and especially the wolf-on-wolf people (Form,Rikae,Nilp) raise eyebrows to me, Form especially. Firefoot's “I don't know who's more suspicious” raises one, too.
Shasta stays a little bit on the fringes, going for Nogrod in the end. Lottie, too.
I don't see Mith's involvement as suspicious. McCaber might look a bit opportunistic, but I don't really think so.
Boro's “innocent Freudian slip” is a red flag I didn't notice before. The way I see it, it was either an innocent joke, or a not-innocent Freudian slip. Or am I seeing something wrong?
Of the others involved, morm, Legate, and Eomer look fine. Greenie's comment could be interpreted wolfishly: trying to calm the flames first, then staying far away once everything's on fire.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mac

I still think Agan is most likely a wolf, but I'll grant that there's a possibility that she's innocent. But why then was she so upset about Lommy's suspicion?

*raises eyebrow*

Originally Posted by Mac

#184 Rikae says Agan-Lommy looks wolf-on-wolf, no explanation

I don't know how you got that from "it would look wolf-on-wolf but that wouldn't make sense in this game".

Actually, though, I've changed my mind now: wolf-on-wolf does make sense. Like I said in my last post, dead wolves roles will come out eventually, and their comrades would surely prefer not to be linked in the history.

As for why:
Agan made would could have been a slip, Lommy pointed it out, and they argued back and forth about whether it was until everyone else wanted to write them both off. I've done that sort of thing with a packmate myself, before.

But anyway, you're being sloppy (deliberately or not) lumping me in with "the wolf-on-wolf people" when my conclusion, yesterDay, was that it probably wasn't.

[Rikae]

At the end of the day it looked more like Lommy poking around to see if Agan would jump, and then using that against her without thinking twice.

Hence my vote for Lommy.

[Lalaith]

I thought the itch thing might inidicate something but what I am not sure

Yes. And what was this "door is shut" business? Reminds me of the Paths of the Dead. Hmmm.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Yes. And what was this "door is shut" business? Reminds me of the Paths of the Dead. Hmmm.

???

[Lalaith]

Originally Posted by Rikae

???

In the narration.

One individual had even developed a persistent itch due to the damp from the doors being permanently shut.

I thought of this. "The way is shut.
It was made by those who are Dead.
And the Dead keep it.
The way is shut."

Probably just me being fanciful.

[Rikae]

Boro, I was explaining why I thought it would have looked wolf-on-wolfy in a normal game. Like I just told Mac, my conclusion was that it wasn't, and that Lommy was suspicious.

Originally Posted by Kuru

One individual had even developed a persistent itch due to the damp from the doors being permanently shut.

Hmmm.

Now I wonder if this relates to the secret role. Maybe some kind of cursed/someone who turns gifted eventually?

[Mithalwen]

It may be nothing of course but in such a sparse narration you grasp at anything... maybe the knownunknown isn't waterproof.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Boro's “innocent Freudian slip” is a red flag I didn't notice before. The way I see it, it was either an innocent joke, or a not-innocent Freudian slip. Or am I seeing something wrong?

It was rushed wording on my part. With the DL closing down, I was trying to give a quick summary to the phantom to answer why Agan was attracting that many votes. Morm first reacted to Agan's "killing all the Europeans" in what seemed like a joking fashion (I hurriedly phrased that as "innocent Freudian slip"). And then Lommy has explained that her suspicions weren't based on the slip itself, but Agan's reaction to it.

As for why:
Agan made would could have been a slip, Lommy pointed it out, and they argued back and forth about whether it was until everyone else wanted to write them both off. I've done that sort of thing with a packmate myself, before.~Rikae

I'm not sure what two pack mates would gain by that argument on Day 1. I would think the fact that we wouldn't know anyone's role upon their death would make wake mate-on-mate voting less likely, since there really is no confirmation on what looks dubious/wolvish in a lynch until at least a day later. And I would also think with the threat of a rival pack that would be gunning for wolves, that the internal dynamics of a pack would be really tight-knit.

It was Morm who first pointed out Agan's slip, and Lommy went with Agan's reaction to morm as the most suspicious thing she found on Day 1. So, I think it would implicate morm more as a possible pack mate than Lommy. (That is, mormwolf trying to point something out and be helpful, but not expecting much to come of it)