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"Finger Food"? I have heard of it.
Did the Elves know Hobbits well enough to invite them on dinners? Another question that has never been answered to me. What about wine? Wine contains alcohol. Did the Hobbits, Dwarves and Men really drink "alcohol"? Alcohol is prepared chemically, in Labs. Did people in Middle-Earth prepare it chemically? How?
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In FOTR, it was noted that in the aftermath of Bilbo's party, wheelbarrows had to be used to remove guests that had "inadvertently remained behind", and when Frodo jumped onto the table at the Prancing Pony in Bree, it was surmised that he was drunk. In The Two Towers Faramir gave wine to Frodo and Sam, and drank it in Minas Tirith himself. Why would it take a laboratory to produce ethyl alcohol? Drinks containing it have been made by various processes for thousands of years in our world. There are still peoples that utilize traditional methods even today. Why should it be any different in Tolkien's world?
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There is significant evidence in the sil to suggest that elves regularly hunted and ate meat.
The only specification I think was for green elves who were veggies. Or is my memory faulty? ![]()
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To everyone who says elves didn't hunt for sport:
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My little brother brews the most amazing beer in his dorm's basement, which is hardly a lab.
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Lotrelf, suggest you look up the various techniques of wine-making, beer-brewing etc.
Alcohol is certainly *not* a modern invention- to be honest, I'm really quite amazed that you could think so. ![]()
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May be from a "dry" culture...
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Actually, yes. But there's no one here who drinks-- not someone I know personally; and I never paid attention in my Chemistry class where these techniques were explained- may they had something told about that too. Well, I'm not interested in it, so I'll leave it to it.
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A little known fact about the elves is that "short order" cooks were in high demand. One of their specialties were Fili Mignon.
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Not to mention Chicken Balinese.
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In the films, the dwarves were rude and mannerless, and the elves haughty and disdainful. Hence I wouldn't be surprised if serving a subpar dinner to the dwarves, accompanied with music and all, was an act of slight with finesse, whether it be in revenge for their poor manners or as a general "eww dwarves" notion. What saddens me most is that neither of the races is supposed to be like that.
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To put this question in different context; Are Germans sober?
A great deal many are, but there are also a great deal who stay in pubs and bars all day. It's similar to asking whether humans are vegetarians. The response you get will be different depending on who you ask. |
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I don't think that this analogy is very helpful. Elves are a literary concept and thus constructed in a certain way. This is especially important when it comes to a writer like Tolkien who seldom tried to write certain societies as diverse as a real society would be. On the contrary, the societies, people and persons in middle-earth are described in a mythological manner and can share the same properties. I guess one should not try to examine or explain middle-earth like it was real. Nonetheless I don't see vegetarianism as a commonly shared ideology among elves either. I guess it's a more recent fantasy trope (maybe even dating back to those LOTR readers/fans in the 60's; darn hippies!) that elves have to be in total sync with nature, in every way. |
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Questions which have cultural variables don't have one set answer. |
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Your very examples show that this is a problem. The only elven tribe we could more or less) reasonably suspect to be all vegetarian are the Laiquendi, the evles of Ossiriand. The text hints that they have a problem with killing animals and yet they live scattered and withdram in the woods. Beren wandered and lived in the woods of Doriath for a very long time but he vowed not to eat animals. This doesn't make sense from a realistic point of view but from a literary or poetic one. The Noldor and Sindar, on the other hand, are civilised, wiser and by all means a higher class of elves and we do find great and prominent huntsman among them. Last edited by Leaf; 11-17-2014 at 07:11 PM. |
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The defining elven trait would be musicianship, as there is reference to it in a lot of older media. |
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