Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Thinlómien]

Well...?!?

I have to say I'm humbled. When I was reading through yesterDay (without checking first what happened) I was so sure the village is going to fail big time. I didn't trust Galadriel one bit and I wasn't really convinced about Legate's guilt. I'm glad you guys were right though. Anyway, I remain unconvinced by Galadriel. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay), but as it's pretty obvious she's not a wolf I think we can leave her be.

I'm not surprised about Nerwen's death either. YesterDay when I was trying to think who might have been attacked on Night2, I was pretty sure it was Nerwen, just because she was paying attention to Coppermirror's seer-flushing comments and might have looked seerish with a knee-jerk logic.

What now then? I'd like to have a look at what Legate said about everyone and what they said about him, but I'm not sure I have time (I have a bunch of 'downers here! <3) Just off the top of my head I'm the most suspicious of Eönwë and Inzil right now, and McCaber seems possibly the most innocent. I'll have another look at yesterDay's posting and reply some quotes from yesterDay and toDay once I have a bit more time.

[Thinlómien]

Just quickly looking at this without the context:

Morsul-->McCaber
Lommie-->Gal
Legate-->Gal (2)
Gal-->Legate
Dun-->Legate (2)
McCaber-->Legate (3)
Sally-->Legate (4)
Cop-->Legate (5)
Shasta-->Gal (3)
Nerwen-->Legate (6)

Inziladun actually looks pretty good so I might take back what I said about him just a minute ago (or then he's really sneaky). McCaber looks equally good.

Sally and Cop were basically beating a dead horse, so their votes prove nothing. Morsul's vote is equally informative.

Shasta baffles me, especially as he said (if I recall correctly) something like "woops, I didn't realise Legate already had so many votes". That's so incriminating that it shouldn't be incriminating but maybe it is because it's Shasta whom I can see more likely doing double-bluffing than bluffing.

[Coppermirror]

I get back late and the game is over and I basically don't need to cast my vote any more...

But oh well, I will anyway! ++Inzil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Phooey. The mod ruins your big reveal, so you get to ruin mine? I see how it works.

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.

++Inzil

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Phooey. The mod ruins your big reveal, so you get to ruin mine? I see how it works.

I'm sorry? Please?

Originally Posted by Shasta

Anyway, Lommy had it correct. Nerwen was killed because the wolves failed to kill her on the previous Night. I didn't protect anyone last Night on purpose - I had realized that G55 was probably the Seer, but was pretty certain the wolves would go after Nerwen again; if I protected G55 and the wolves killed Nerwen as I suspected they would, I wouldn't be able to protect her toNight. G55 revealing Inzilawolf wraps things up nicely, though.

*headdesk* So basically all my nervewracking Day2 scheming was for nothing. *goes to beat head on the wall a couple times*

I guess I should have realized, but I already fake-revealed/hinted as so many roles that it wouldn't have made a difference at that point. But I should never have underestimated your skills with this game. That's some first-class Ranger scheming, if I may be a judge in such matters.

[Galadriel55]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQj7ng8bcyY

[Galadriel55]

Incidentally, I still haven't told you the stupidest of my incredibly stupid things I did this game. I haven't even dreamt Legate on Night1. My first dream was Shasta.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by G55

*headdesk* So basically all my nervewracking Day2 scheming was for nothing. *goes to beat head on the wall a couple times*

I guess I should have realized, but I already fake-revealed/hinted as so many roles that it wouldn't have made a difference at that point. But I should never have underestimated your skills with this game. That's some first-class Ranger scheming, if I may be a judge in such matters.

Some first-class Seer-scheming also. You fooled the wolves, after all.

[Loslote]

Final DL. You all can keep talking, though. Inzil was lynched and is the final wolf () and the game is over. Final narration to follow.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Some first-class Seer-scheming also. You fooled the wolves, after all.

Fooling myself half a dozen times in the process. Realistically, we weren't supposed to win, I wasn't supposed to dream of both wolves, and I certainly wasn't supposed to survive to tell the tale considering how many blunders I've made. I don't get how that happened. I seriously have the feeling that I've just been part of one of these comedy films where despite everything going ridiculously wrong everything ends up right.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

And the third one was Inzil. So, who was the second dream?

Legate. At first I thought to bluff and dream someone else, and try to piece Legate together based on reactions, but then I thought that the wolves could bluff and double bluff too, and I wouldn't get the picture anyways, and what if I'm killed/lynched and everyone thinks Legate is wolf while he's really innocent... so I ended up dreaming him.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Don't trust:
Legate
Dun

sally, what did you bribe the Psychic Man with to get him to share his secret?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Some first-class Seer-scheming also. You fooled the wolves, after all.

Indeed. We'd discussed getting her Night 2, but decided she was a likely protect.

You were a last-minute pick as the possible Ranger.

I took the chance that my attack on Legate would deflect attention away from me long enough to allow me to get her.

[Coppermirror]

I shall sprinkle incense upon the poor of Christmastown, in celebration of these tidings. Indeed, we have changed the path of the future and erased our Doom.

Tiny Tim McCaber, it is unfortunate that you who were once so full of cheer became weary. Ignorance and Want do indeed lead you humans astray...

But Frosty the Snowman! You, who has a heart of snow, chose to betray us all, along with Santa Claus. It's too late for Legate Claus, but I suggest we try to rekindle the joy of Christmas within poor Inzil the Snowman. Let us sing carols to him for every hour of every day.

Do we really need to lynch him? No, no! Christmas cheer will be enough. Re-education. It worked for Scrooge. I'll gather my ghostly siblings and we shall apply our skills of persuasion. Between scaring him and jolly meals, it will surely work. Tiny Tim McCaber, you should come along too.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay)

No, I did not fail big time yesterDay. I big time won the game yesterDay. I am not the Cobbler. I am not a Wolf either. Nor a Ranger. As it happens, I am not an Ordo either.

If you didn't get it yet, I am the Seer.

(go on, shake your heads, roll your eyes, I won't blame you for it.)

My original original plan was to keep my head down. Well, I failed at that big time. Interpreting the events of Night2 as I have already said yesterDay (that part of my fake-reveal was completly true) I realised that I will most likely be killed on Night3, since the Ranger cannot protect the same person twice in a row. I could reveal. Or I could give the wolves a darn good reason not to kill me that Night. So I started playing the Cobbler with Legate.

However, at that point I had one known innocent in addition to Legwolf. My plan rested on communicating to him/her that I am the Seer and Legate is the wolf, as a back-up. Unfortunately, the said innocent did not respond to me in time, and I did not dare to go full-scale cobbler until I got confirmation from them. When I realised that Legate wasn't buying my half-hearted cobbler attempt, I changed my plan. I still had to give a reason for the wolves not to kill me the following Night, so I revealed as the next best thing - Ordo.

I admit that my biggest fear this Night was that I would still be killed, either because the wolf did not trust a word I said about my un-Seerness, or simply because they thought I would bee to much of a trusted/known inocent. My hope was that someone would look more Seerish that I did to the wolf (whom I did not know yet), or at least more profitable to kill. And, here I am, with a third name up my sleeve. I dreamed Inzil.

Unfortunately, I cannot give you his role, other than that he is a baddie. I know I'm not supposed to quote the Mod's PMs, but I don't really have a choice. Lottie said that Zil is Legate's "henchman", and I am not sure if that refers to the cobbler or the other wolf. I've bombarded her with PMs asking for clarification, but she has not answered yet. I will tell you Zil's role as soon as I get a reply. Either way, he is evil. I am more inclined to think wolf, but I'm not taking chances.

I will not be here for a good chunk of the Day, but I will be back a couple hours before DL. So if you have any questions I should answer - either now or at the end of the Day.

By the way, I am waiting with the name of the innocent, and I will or will not reveal it depending on Inzil's role.

[Coppermirror]

Dropping in quickly, just have time to ask one question.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Anyway, I remain unconvinced by Galadriel. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she was the cobbler (who failed big time yesterDay), but as it's pretty obvious she's not a wolf I think we can leave her be.

Could you explain what you think G55 might have been trying to do yesterDay, if she was the Cobbler? You seem to have an idea there.

YesterDay I thought there was an outside chance that G55 was the cobbler, but only if it was all a shockingly big scheme to get a Seer-Legate. But Legate was a wolf. Right now I haven't got a scenario in mind where G55 could possibly be a Cobbler.

Edit: cross-posted with G55! I'm surprised. I thought she might be the Ranger.

[Morsul the Dark]

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Though you're asking us to swallow you picked two wolves in a row... We'll have to see if someone tries to counter you.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Lottie did not say evil. She said henchman. That means Zil is evil, but it's unclear whether cobbler or wolf.

And Lottie said that the cobbler appears as cobbler to the Seer.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Though you're asking us to swallow you picked two wolves in a row... We'll have to see if someone tries to counter you.

I do recall a game where Seeromer picked two wolves in a row in the first two Nights, and for such a silly reason that it was almost unbelievable. That's much more impressive than two wolves in a game. Plus, I don't know 100% yet that Zil is a wolf, I just think he's more wolf than cobbler. Once again, I'll tell you what his role is when Lottie clarifies.

As for how it happened that I dreamt Inzil... I made a list of people I was considering: Nerwen, Eonwe, Inzil, Lommy, and Cop. And one by one I discarded them until I was left with Inzil. Lommy looked more like cobbler material, and I wanted to get a wolf. Cop I felt that if she's a wolf the village would be able to figure her out. Eonwe and Nerwen I discarded based on why they are suspicious; they didn't feel that wolvish to me. Then I factored in the possibility that my dream will come out innocent, and I still got that Inzil would be the most useful to know. Hence, Inzil.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I do recall a game where Seeromer picked two wolves in a row in the first two Nights, and for such a silly reason that it was almost unbelievable. That's much more impressive than two wolves in a game.

And then there's the amazing Nerwen....

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

generally speaking evil means wolf, most cobblers are revealed to seers as innocent.

Morsul is correct, though I honestly believe "henchman" would indicate cobbler rather than wolf, especially since it seems no confirmation of alignment was given. Assuming Gal is telling the truth, I believe Lottie will clear up the issue when she has a chance. In the meantime, I'm going to see who else I suspect.


EDIT: x'd with Gal