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Loslote · 11-28-2012, 03:55 PM

Also, if we're ever going to use those lists, toDay would be the Day. After all, we know (almost for sure) that someone got a dream, and that Elendil didn't know who Amandil was. So...

Random People Who, If I Had Dreamed Them, Would Be Guilty - Or At Least Not Innocent
Eonwe
Pomegranate
Zil

Shastanis Althreduin · 11-28-2012, 04:23 PM

Not Innocent People If I Saw Them Under The Pale Moonlight
Boro
Lottie
Manwe

Fair enough.

the phantom · 11-28-2012, 04:27 PM

So, does anyone see a problem with the dream target/recipient outline I presented three posts up? If not then I suggest we assume it is in operation.

(I realize Elendil may feel like I'm taking away his freedom or something, but I think it makes sense to have him serve the village in a predictable and organized manner rather than shoot from the hip, particularly if he doesn't have ample time to strategize. Similarly, I hope you don't think I sabotaged your game too much by clamoring for a reveal, Shasta.)

Anyway, yeah, my list of three... I'll just go with the 3 I mentioned earlier, except one of them is the revealed Amandil so that would be just stupid. So... Inzil, Nerwen, Lottie then.

Inziladun · 11-28-2012, 04:35 PM

I'll go with:

1.Sally
2.Morsul
3.Nerwen

x/d with Steve

Pomegranate · 11-28-2012, 05:13 PM

Lottie, Eonwe, Inzil. Now some more catching up - I'll need to go to bed pretty soon, it's been a long day, and thus will have to vote. I think I will indeed vote - if you guys decide it's better to not have a lynch today, you can just tie it.

Boromir88 · 11-28-2012, 05:25 PM

My random, but perhaps not so random guilty list of 3:

Eomer
Inzil
Manwe

I say not so random because these are also the Top 3 I've been considering voting for.

Who I have no interest to vote for today:

Shasta
the phantom
Pom

Everyone else is undetermined/neutral.

Will explain these reasons after I eat.

Morsul the Dark · 11-29-2012, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Who I have no interest to vote for today:

Shasta
the phantom
Pom

Everyone else is undetermined/neutral.

Will explain these reasons after I eat.

Now if we are assuming his "example" was actually a hint can't we assume Brinn would be on this list as well. Or would Boro assume the first post was enough of a hint?

EDIT: x-ed Brinn and Modess

the phantom · 11-28-2012, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Oh, the usual attitude of "Dangit Phantom, stop being so controlling!" is there, and I admit I do have the urge to go entirely contrary to the plan just to prove I can

Heh heh... I'm going to claim I behaved somewhat tolerably based on the fact that I was nice enough to ask everyone else what they thought before getting more insistent.

I suppose the real question is, if everyone had given a resounding "no", would I have responded "whatever, do it anyway".

Shastanis Althreduin · 11-28-2012, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

So, does anyone see a problem with the dream target/recipient outline I presented three posts up? If not then I suggest we assume it is in operation.

(I realize Elendil may feel like I'm taking away his freedom or something, but I think it makes sense to have him serve the village in a predictable and organized manner rather than shoot from the hip, particularly if he doesn't have ample time to strategize. Similarly, I hope you don't think I sabotaged your game too much by clamoring for a reveal, Shasta.)

Anyway, yeah, my list of three... I'll just go with the 3 I mentioned earlier, except one of them is the revealed Amandil so that would be just stupid. So... Inzil, Nerwen, Lottie then.

Oh, the usual attitude of "Dangit Phantom, stop being so controlling!" is there, and I admit I do have the urge to go entirely contrary to the plan just to prove I can, but as stated already, my big plan was to look very Seer-ish and then get murdered early, so I imagine I'm helping out more in this capacity.

Eönwë · 11-28-2012, 04:34 PM

So, it looks like my didn't factor in last Night's dream when considering the positives and negatives of either Elendil-plan. The chain seems unbreakable as long as a dream goes through.

Three-people random list

Pros
*Keeps those found innocent safe.
*Elendil has more people to hide among.

Cons
*General knowledge dies with Elendil- each person given a dream could only know one identity, and so any claims would be impossible to prove until one of the two dies.
*Elendil has to reveal at some point to be of any use.

Neutral
*Gives everyone amnesty from their 3-people choice.

Open reveals

Pros
*People have innocents whose opinions they can trust.
*Wolves can be revealed straight away.
*Elendil doesn't have to reveal.

Cons
*Elendil has a dwindling number of people to hide behind.
*Gifteds become known innocents, and so become easier targets for the KMs.

I have an alternative suggestion: We do the 3-person thing, but when someone finds a KM they reveal. A person on the good side would die anyway that Night, so at least they take down a KM with them. And if there's a counter-claim of some sort, at least we have a known KM between the two of them.

edit: x-ed with Shasta

11-28-2012, 03:55 PM	#1
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	Also, if we're ever going to use those lists, toDay would be the Day. After all, we know (almost for sure) that someone got a dream, and that Elendil didn't know who Amandil was. So... Random People Who, If I Had Dreamed Them, Would Be Guilty - Or At Least Not Innocent Eonwe Pomegranate Zil __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

11-28-2012, 04:23 PM	#2
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Not Innocent People If I Saw Them Under The Pale Moonlight Boro Lottie Manwe Fair enough. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

11-28-2012, 04:27 PM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	So, does anyone see a problem with the dream target/recipient outline I presented three posts up? If not then I suggest we assume it is in operation. (I realize Elendil may feel like I'm taking away his freedom or something, but I think it makes sense to have him serve the village in a predictable and organized manner rather than shoot from the hip, particularly if he doesn't have ample time to strategize. Similarly, I hope you don't think I sabotaged your game too much by clamoring for a reveal, Shasta.) Anyway, yeah, my list of three... I'll just go with the 3 I mentioned earlier, except one of them is the revealed Amandil so that would be just stupid. So... Inzil, Nerwen, Lottie then. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-28-2012, 04:35 PM	#4
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	I'll go with: 1.Sally 2.Morsul 3.Nerwen x/d with Steve __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

11-28-2012, 05:13 PM	#5
Pomegranate Wight Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Home (either of them) Posts: 151	Lottie, Eonwe, Inzil. Now some more catching up - I'll need to go to bed pretty soon, it's been a long day, and thus will have to vote. I think I will indeed vote - if you guys decide it's better to not have a lynch today, you can just tie it. __________________ But I will run until my feet no longer run no more

11-28-2012, 05:25 PM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	My random, but perhaps not so random guilty list of 3: Eomer Inzil Manwe I say not so random because these are also the Top 3 I've been considering voting for. Who I have no interest to vote for today: Shasta the phantom Pom Everyone else is undetermined/neutral. Will explain these reasons after I eat. __________________ Fenris Penguin

11-28-2012, 04:34 PM	#10
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	So, it looks like my didn't factor in last Night's dream when considering the positives and negatives of either Elendil-plan. The chain seems unbreakable as long as a dream goes through. Three-people random list Pros Keeps those found innocent safe. Elendil has more people to hide among. Cons General knowledge dies with Elendil- each person given a dream could only know one identity, and so any claims would be impossible to prove until one of the two dies. Elendil has to reveal at some point to be of any use. Neutral Gives everyone amnesty from their 3-people choice. Open reveals* Pros People have innocents whose opinions they can trust. Wolves can be revealed straight away. Elendil doesn't have to reveal. Cons Elendil has a dwindling number of people to hide behind. *Gifteds become known innocents, and so become easier targets for the KMs. I have an alternative suggestion: We do the 3-person thing, but when someone finds a KM they reveal. A person on the good side would die anyway that Night, so at least they take down a KM with them. And if there's a counter-claim of some sort, at least we have a known KM between the two of them. edit: x-ed with Shasta __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place