Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[Brinniel]

Well, toDay seems a bit busier than most Day Ones I recall. At least I wasn't expecting to process so much info right away. But hey, substance is always a good thing. My brain's just feeling slightly overwhelmed...I don't know whether to attribute that to my headache or lack of WWing over the years. Maybe both.

Originally Posted by phantom

Do you see any drawbacks to everyone randomly listing 3 "guilty" names each day thus providing Elendil a clear indication on whether his dream recipient found his dream target to be guilty?

This could work as long as these lists are truly regarded by everyone else as random. Because the only drawback I can see is that if other people start using these lists to judge guilt or innocence, that could lead to a big mess. Innocents have a difficult enough time guessing one guilty player early on so it's unlikely that they'll be able to give a strong reasoning to why they think three players are evil. So voting against someone simply because of their list could lead to a lot of innocent lynches. And later on, we certainly can't use a known wolf's lists to identify innocents.

As for not voting, as difficult as it may be to identify the baddies on Day 1, I'm not sure not voting anyone would be a good idea. For one thing, if anyone ends up missing the deadline toMorrow to vote, they would be modfired.

Also, was anything mentioned regarding retractable votes? It would be good to know considering retractable votes can greatly impact the outcome of a lynch.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

This could work as long as these lists are truly regarded by everyone else as random.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this. I think it's pretty neutral in terms of the rest of the gameplay if they are regarded as actually random, since it affects everyone the same way.

[Eönwë]

People that are slightly unsettling/a bit off:

Eomer- Posts nothing of substance except for the post suggesting not getting a lynch at all today.

Sally- Her post on Isildur is pretty good, but other than that, I'm not really getting a good feeling from her other posts.

Other than that, the phantom and Pom seem pretty good, Shasta has revealed and there hasn't been a counter, I'm not sure whether I like whatBoro's doing or not, I'm feeling mixed about Zil, and I'm really uncertain about anyone else.

[Loslote]

Also, if we're ever going to use those lists, toDay would be the Day. After all, we know (almost for sure) that someone got a dream, and that Elendil didn't know who Amandil was. So...

Random People Who, If I Had Dreamed Them, Would Be Guilty - Or At Least Not Innocent
Eonwe
Pomegranate
Zil

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Not Innocent People If I Saw Them Under The Pale Moonlight
Boro
Lottie
Manwe

Fair enough.

[the phantom]

So, does anyone see a problem with the dream target/recipient outline I presented three posts up? If not then I suggest we assume it is in operation.

(I realize Elendil may feel like I'm taking away his freedom or something, but I think it makes sense to have him serve the village in a predictable and organized manner rather than shoot from the hip, particularly if he doesn't have ample time to strategize. Similarly, I hope you don't think I sabotaged your game too much by clamoring for a reveal, Shasta.)

Anyway, yeah, my list of three... I'll just go with the 3 I mentioned earlier, except one of them is the revealed Amandil so that would be just stupid. So... Inzil, Nerwen, Lottie then.

[Inziladun]

I'll go with:

1.Sally
2.Morsul
3.Nerwen

x/d with Steve

[Pomegranate]

Lottie, Eonwe, Inzil. Now some more catching up - I'll need to go to bed pretty soon, it's been a long day, and thus will have to vote. I think I will indeed vote - if you guys decide it's better to not have a lynch today, you can just tie it.

[Boromir88]

My random, but perhaps not so random guilty list of 3:

Eomer
Inzil
Manwe

I say not so random because these are also the Top 3 I've been considering voting for.

Who I have no interest to vote for today:

Shasta
the phantom
Pom

Everyone else is undetermined/neutral.

Will explain these reasons after I eat.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Who I have no interest to vote for today:

Shasta
the phantom
Pom

Everyone else is undetermined/neutral.

Will explain these reasons after I eat.

Now if we are assuming his "example" was actually a hint can't we assume Brinn would be on this list as well. Or would Boro assume the first post was enough of a hint?

EDIT: x-ed Brinn and Modess

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Oh, the usual attitude of "Dangit Phantom, stop being so controlling!" is there, and I admit I do have the urge to go entirely contrary to the plan just to prove I can

Heh heh... I'm going to claim I behaved somewhat tolerably based on the fact that I was nice enough to ask everyone else what they thought before getting more insistent.

I suppose the real question is, if everyone had given a resounding "no", would I have responded "whatever, do it anyway".

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by the phantom

So, does anyone see a problem with the dream target/recipient outline I presented three posts up? If not then I suggest we assume it is in operation.

(I realize Elendil may feel like I'm taking away his freedom or something, but I think it makes sense to have him serve the village in a predictable and organized manner rather than shoot from the hip, particularly if he doesn't have ample time to strategize. Similarly, I hope you don't think I sabotaged your game too much by clamoring for a reveal, Shasta.)

Anyway, yeah, my list of three... I'll just go with the 3 I mentioned earlier, except one of them is the revealed Amandil so that would be just stupid. So... Inzil, Nerwen, Lottie then.

Oh, the usual attitude of "Dangit Phantom, stop being so controlling!" is there, and I admit I do have the urge to go entirely contrary to the plan just to prove I can, but as stated already, my big plan was to look very Seer-ish and then get murdered early, so I imagine I'm helping out more in this capacity.

[Eönwë]

So, it looks like my didn't factor in last Night's dream when considering the positives and negatives of either Elendil-plan. The chain seems unbreakable as long as a dream goes through.

Three-people random list

Pros
*Keeps those found innocent safe.
*Elendil has more people to hide among.

Cons
*General knowledge dies with Elendil- each person given a dream could only know one identity, and so any claims would be impossible to prove until one of the two dies.
*Elendil has to reveal at some point to be of any use.

Neutral
*Gives everyone amnesty from their 3-people choice.



Open reveals

Pros
*People have innocents whose opinions they can trust.
*Wolves can be revealed straight away.
*Elendil doesn't have to reveal.

Cons
*Elendil has a dwindling number of people to hide behind.
*Gifteds become known innocents, and so become easier targets for the KMs.



I have an alternative suggestion: We do the 3-person thing, but when someone finds a KM they reveal. A person on the good side would die anyway that Night, so at least they take down a KM with them. And if there's a counter-claim of some sort, at least we have a known KM between the two of them.


edit: x-ed with Shasta