Meeting at the Town Cobbler (WW XCV game thread)

[Inziladun]

Man, is it ever quiet. Don't we have to vote in less than twelve hours?

[wilwarin538]

To get in on this discussion. I think Inzil is partly right that this messaging thing might benefit the committee more than the innocents, but I think the Seer would actually be the person most benefited if they get chosen (depending on when they get chosen). If they've dreamed of an innocent they could contact that person and let them know who they are, tell them the dreams, and have themselves an ally.

Really all anyone else could do is contact someone they feel good about. But only getting 1 message back and not being able to respond again makes the conversation very limited. And the committee would probably use this tool to mislead people in some way.

So I don't know, I can't really think right now how useful this will be, but hopefully it does end up being beneficial. But again, I agree with Inzil, I have no idea what it is most of us could really say, maybe something we're not sure we're prepared to suggest on the thread, so we could say it to one person to see if it makes sense? Even that though...

Anyway, this game should be interested. If people show up

[A Little Green]

Agh, I'm still somewhat confused by all the twists, so don't mind me if I'm incoherent! Wilwa brings up a good point about the Seer, makes me feel better about her (I don't think a wolf would dare bring that up, just in case the Seer had not figured that out him/herself). Other than that, I agree with Inzil that the PMs are tricky for innocents. Though I bet they are that to the wolves too, for I guess trying to fool somebody in a private message is a deal harder than in the thread.

[wilwarin538]

I think the messaging thing will get more useful the further we get, once people have better opinions about people and once more has happened.

Where is everyone? I have to leave in less than 2 hours...

[McCaber]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Wilwa brings up a good point about the Seer, makes me feel better about her (I don't think a wolf would dare bring that up, just in case the Seer had not figured that out him/herself).

A wolf could still have brought that up hoping to make a false seer claim down the line.

Not that right now I think Wilwa's a wolf, but she isn't automatically innocent.

If more people don't start showing up, I might need to pick a name of a quiet one from a hat.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by McCaber

A wolf could still have brought that up hoping to make a false seer claim down the line.

Not that right now I think Wilwa's a wolf, but she isn't automatically innocent.

I agree. And who's to say the person contacted by the "Seer" should trust xe is being honest? There's just no way to know who's being honest.

Originally Posted by McCaber

If more people don't start showing up, I might need to pick a name of a quiet one from a hat.

As unwelcome as that idea is, I may be forced into it as well. I haven't seen anything voteworthy from those who have actually spoken thus far. Then again, we could vote no one and not have a death toDay.

On an RL note, I fear our moddess could be in for some rough weather in her corner of the world today and tonight. Stay safe, Sally!

[Boromir88]

Inconceivable! The entire bag!? *mutters* of course I really know what that word means

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Then again, we could vote no one and not have a death toDay.

Considering how small the group is I could be persuaded to do that. There's what, 11 people? 3 wolves, 3 gifteds, 5 ordos, high chance of hitting an innocent, especially with so little information to go on. I hate voting people on random, especially if some people might just be busy in RL or not have realized we started. Waiting one day I don't think will put us at much of a disadvantage...

But then we would of course be losing a chance to get a wolf, which we could still get lucky enough to do. I don't know, I hate just picking someone out of a hat with nothing to go on.

I have another half hour before I need to go to work. So when I get back I'll vote or if people think we should forgo a lynch today than I will support that too.

edit: x'ed with Boro aka Vizzini

[Eönwë]

Wow, it's quiet here.
On the Night-messaging, I don't think there's that much to say other than that it will become useful later in the game. A question to Our Moddess: What are the rules on talking about the secret correspondances? I mean, it could affect the game alot.

And remind me to never go against a Boro when death is on the line.

edit: x-ed with Mac

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

There's what, 11 people? 3 wolves, 3 gifteds, 5 ordos, high chance of hitting an innocent, especially with so little information to go on.

Lower than the chances of hitting an innocent in a village of 16 with 4 wolves. Also, there is rarely much to go on in Day 1.

This bugs me. I mean, I can see wanting to prolong a game that may be short, but, as I see it, skipping toDay's lynch is actually to the baddies' advantage.

[Rikae]

I'm here and reading, but there seems to be little to say at the moment. Naturally Wilwa is right about the possibility of the seer communicating with a known innocent, and naturally, that would be the easiest thing in the world for a wolf to do as well.
The fact that Greenie doesn't seem to have noticed that makes me raise an eyebrow.

My better half needs to stop playing Minecraft and post or I'll vote for him.

That's all for now.

[Macalaure]

It seems like people think of the messages mostly as a means to convey something to somebody else. Don't forget that your message prompts somebody to write a message back. If you send something to somebody you're not sure about, that's a good way to learn (even if they don't reply).

I don't think the information offered in a message is worth much. A reveal might be fake, and any opinions given are probably already available in the thread anyway, or have to be taken with a bucketful of salt. Like Greenie mentioned, as a wolf, I would be nervous to write a message: the risk of giving something away (even if it's just a bad vibe) is not necessarily worth the opportunity to sow some deceit.

Talking about bad vibes, Wilwa is giving me a slight one right now, but I can't say why. Nothing else to say right now.

[satansaloser2005]

One of the staff raises an eyebrow at the voice outside and quietly excuses himself, rushing out the side door to investigate the commotion. You hear the young man and Boro speaking in not very hushed tones, then it grows silent outside yet again.



Also, please note that the Town Cobbler does not allow pets, and thus all wolves or any other animals, domesticated or otherwise, must be kept outside.

(Because, you see, there are no wolves here. I feel better now. Moving on.)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by note on the wall

Unbeknownst to most of you, a small portion of the group has been planted to ensure that the people meeting with the expert are worthy of being involved in the upcoming discussion. They will privately converse from time to time and inform SS and their staff of their findings to recommend removal of certain attendees from the guest list. Some of the more astute or suspicious members of the group may notice this and try to change the others’ recommendations or even reveal their plans to the rest of the group.

Okay. Queueing to meet this famous Tolkien -expert and some people wish to block the entry for some of us? On which grounds are some of us deemed "worthy" or "not worthy" then?

Should we just call for the removal of all the serious Tolkien cognoscenti then as they are the only ones I could think would qualify as the gatekeepers on this kind of an issue...



But - and here's actually a more serious question - the rules say that this small secret group will recommend the removal of some of us to SS (and "staff"???), and then that we can try to change the "others' recommendations" if we are astute or suspicious enough. So what does this actually mean?

Turning it to a werewolf-vocabulary: are there independent Day-Night sequences where vote-kills and lupine-kills follow each other or are there only vote-kills?

"Changing the recommendations" sounds like we have a say over the secret society as what they do is to give "recommendations". Or am I reading too much into this?

I mean I'm a bit confused about all the new rules - or especially all this "watch your cell-phone" or "follow me upon Twitter" -stuff etc. Like I'm not sure which is for the game itself and it's mechanics and what is just for fun.

Well, it probably clears out, but if SS would like to shed some light I'd appreciate.


On a third note, I'm in the middle of a huge essay-reading period ending on Monday-evening so my participation might be more or less erratic before that.