Game Thread: TIG XCII - Disaster by the Lake - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Loslote · 12-12-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Lottie, darling, are you sure you aren't a wolf?

Pretty sure. Seems like the sort of thing one would have noticed, doesn't it?

Nogrod · 12-12-2011, 03:44 PM

Oh my.

Everything looks pretty clear: the original revealments, with all the oddities involved, look way more believable than the ones by Nerwen & Kit which were both lame and late.

Still I am feeling something's wrong here.

I'm going to read toDay again and try to clear this mess in my head.

Nogrod · 12-12-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Pretty sure. Seems like the sort of thing one would have noticed, doesn't it?

If the original revelations are true you more or less have to be a wolf Lottie. I can see your careful wording that you're "pretty" sure, not a 100% sure then?

Galadriel55 · 12-12-2011, 04:51 PM

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and how come G55 had dreamt of her [Nerwen] as well?

(If you're asking me about why her) I learned my lesson well.

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Originally Posted by Kitanna

More importantly, how was Sally so positive it was Nerwen? Nerwen is most probably guilty, but one of those "gifted" has to be lying. They couldn't all be 100% positive Nerwen was a wolf. Nothing is 100% in this game unless you've had a seer dream or your suspect is dead.

I thought I was rather obvious with hinting about Nerwen and Pitch, at least if you go back and look at my earlier posts again. But neither you nor Nog seem see the clues. So either I was not as obvious as I thought, or you are denying fact to try to avoid a village victory.

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Well, well, well. Nerwen, Kit, and Nog are the wolves, with A Little Green cobbler on top?

Problem is, we don't know who's the ordo, and therefore don't know which people are the wolves.

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Originally Posted by Kitanna

Sally said Nerwen was guilty before the seer revealed.

Yesterday I thought Sally was the cobbler for sure. This village can't have two hunters afterall. She had to be the cobbler, right? What could a wolf gain with a false reveal when no apparent danger was presented? Then Bom latched onto it, classic wolf behavior to my mind, but he was innocent. I thought he saw the cobbler and was trying to hint to her that they were on the same team.
And today "hunter" Sally reveals Nerwen as a wolf before the seer does? Nonsense! Three people say Nerwen is guilty. One of those is orchestrated by the wolves on Night 4.

The following conversation happened between me and sally yesterDay (I'm exaggerating a bit for fun's sake, but only a bit):

Sally: are you the Seer?
G55: I won't tell you directly because I don't know your intentions, but I may or may not be.
Sally: I'm the hunter.
G55: I think I can trust you. I accept your words about who you are, and I think you know who I am. Nerwolf is evil.
Sally: Yes, I know you're the Seer, and I trust you. I know you dreamed Nerwolf.

Did I miss anything, Sally?

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'm the Ranger. G55 and– much as it pains me to relate– my pearl are either wolves, or wolf + cobbler who have somehow managed to signal to each other. Earlier I was hoping to confuse the cobbler and/or get an incriminating reaction out of someone, but I think that's gone on long enough.

I protected Sally last Night, so I know she's not a wolf, anyway. I guessed the pack would feel it was safe to go after her because of her vote on me. Of course she could still be the cobbler– I've got no way of knowing, obviously.

Liar. Not that I blame you, you being a known wolf and all...

ToDay the wolves are already spinning the association/reverse psychology web that I expected from Nog yesterDay. How do I know if Nerwen is accusing a fellow to make her look good, or expecting us to think this way, accusing an innocent?

One more thing: anyone who does not vote Nerwen (the only known wolf) toDay is evil.

Nogrod · 12-12-2011, 05:06 PM

Okay. I read both yesterDay and then went through G55's posts from D1 to this Day to see about her claim & how this trio emerged from there to answer some of my worries... and I must admit I was more or less answered by that labour.

So it seems this will end up in a last minute rush votes whichever way we look at it as with Greenie being the cobbler she will know G55 has it correct - and interestingly she has said she can be around at the DL...

Heh, I was almost going to write here why I came to the conclusion I did but only then realised that it wouldn't interest any of you the least as I'm the only one who doesn't know the situation... and thus am the only one interested in getting confident about how things are.

Things being as I think they are I must raise my (imaginary) hat to you guys for making quite risky leaps of faith and getting them right: that's not an everyday thing in werewolf. And I do have to add this still... it is that sudden unwavering confidence that still kind of nags at the back of my head telling me it can't be true and that it was too smooth, like you had planned it together.

But then again, no ranger-Nerwen would have made that first reaction toDay suggesting we adopt Sally's plan from yesterDay toDay. And sure any real gifted would have made a feistier counter-reveal - had there been one.

I'll refrain from voting for a moment if Boro decides to reveal some twisted new dynamics to this game - or if someone does something considerably mind-boggling (I still have a few essays to read so I'm not able to go to sleep just yet - but I can't afford to stay up until the DL either as it would leave with three hours of sleep).

So a vote for Nerwen coming in ½-1 hours.

EDIT: X'd with Galadriel

A Little Green · 12-12-2011, 05:10 PM

A couple of things I don't understand about this mess. (Only a couple? No, a good many, actually! But - err - a couple I think we could use some clarification on.)

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Originally Posted by Gal yesterDay, re: Nog

ToDay I will just pretend to be deaf to his posts and try my best to ignore his comments. If he's serving for the evil side (which I'm almost 100% sure he is) he'll try to use all kinds of tricks on us before he dies (if he dies, but he'll use them either way), and personally I don't want my mind muddled with reverse psychology and associations and whatnot from him. He sure knows how to confuse people. I don't want to be led around by him to a wrong direction.

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Originally Posted by Gal

ToDay the wolves are already spinning the association/reverse psychology web that I expected from Nog yesterDay. How do I know if Nerwen is accusing a fellow to make her look good, or expecting us to think this way, accusing an innocent?

Gal, if you were the Seer, why wouldn't you have dreamed Nog last Night? Or any Night? You seem quite convinced he's evil, yet you say you haven't dreamed of him. Would be a very risky thing to do as a Seer, I'd say, considering how close the village would read your posts in case you died.

Second thing. Both Gal and Shasta seem convinced Kit is a wolf, though she doesn't appear on Gal's dream list either. I'm sure this has been explained before, but I'd like you to do it once again, please.

Third thing. The shared "knowledge" of Shasta, Sally and Gal that Nerwen is a wolf already before the "Seer" revealed her just doesn't make sense, full stop.

Fourth thing. Just speculating here. People seem to build two wolf packs - or two gifted packs - but what is neither of the two "packs" is actually there? What if half of one and half of the other are bluffing?

EDIT: x-ed with Noggins

A Little Green · 12-12-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

and interestingly she has said she can be around at the DL...

In fact I take that back - I've just finished my paper, it's past 1 AM, and I need to go to bed in a minute.

Nogrod · 12-12-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

In fact I take that back - I've just finished my paper, it's past 1 AM, and I need to go to bed in a minute.

Surprise me and do not vote Shasta... and there will be no "who gets in the last vote" game of seconds toDay.

That way we could do this fair and straight toMorrow and not let the chance decide.

A Little Green · 12-12-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

Surprise me and do not vote Shasta... and there will be no "who gets in the last vote" game of seconds toDay.

That way we could do this fair and straight toMorrow and not let the chance decide.

Nice try, mate. The thing is, why would I? Why hand the Day over to someone I know is lying?

I am not the cobbler. Gal is. And if you haven't realized what that makes me, please don't say it aloud.

A Little Green · 12-12-2011, 05:31 PM

That said -

++ Shasta

Good night, and good luck.

satansaloser2005 · 12-12-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

I am not the cobbler. Gal is. And if you haven't realized what that makes me, please don't say it aloud.

How can I be sure you're not pretender?

Galadriel55 · 12-12-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

A couple of things I don't understand about this mess. (Only a couple? No, a good many, actually! But - err - a couple I think we could use some clarification on.)

Ah, you've come to muddle up the waters for us...

But I'll clarify anyways just in case some other baddies would want to jump on your questions.

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Gal, if you were the Seer, why wouldn't you have dreamed Nog last Night? Or any Night? You seem quite convinced he's evil, yet you say you haven't dreamed of him. Would be a very risky thing to do as a Seer, I'd say, considering how close the village would read your posts in case you died.

True thing that it was risky, but I believed that I left enough clues for the village to figure out who my dream was.

And I was inches away from sending Nog's name in twice. But the first time decided that the less in-the-spotlight Pitch was more dangerous, and some things that he said rang alarm bells. Next Night I actually sent his name in, but then realised that it is an unefficient dream; I expected him to be the topic of discussion on D3, and possibly the lynch. So before Boro replied to me I asked him if I could change my pick to Shasta, and he kindly allowed me.

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Second thing. Both Gal and Shasta seem convinced Kit is a wolf, though she doesn't appear on Gal's dream list either. I'm sure this has been explained before, but I'd like you to do it once again, please.

Interactions.

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Third thing. The shared "knowledge" of Shasta, Sally and Gal that Nerwen is a wolf already before the "Seer" revealed her just doesn't make sense, full stop.

Hinting.

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Fourth thing. Just speculating here. People seem to build two wolf packs - or two gifted packs - but what is neither of the two "packs" is actually there? What if half of one and half of the other are bluffing?

Shasta and myself are real gifteds. Nerwen is a real wolf. This fact is as solid as stone.

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Originally Posted by Shasta

Well, Lottie, if you aren't evil, be a dear and vote Nerwen for us?

I have a bad feeling that the wolves are not going t risk it and will vote Nerwen to look good toMorrow. Not that I mind extra Nerwen votes, but they don't necessarily mean anything.

Gonna look at all the "question mark"s' posts to see if they could contain evidence of the player's role.

Edit: xed with Lottie*2

12-12-2011, 03:44 PM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Oh my. Everything looks pretty clear: the original revealments, with all the oddities involved, look way more believable than the ones by Nerwen & Kit which were both lame and late. Still I am feeling something's wrong here. I'm going to read toDay again and try to clear this mess in my head. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-12-2011, 05:06 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. I read both yesterDay and then went through G55's posts from D1 to this Day to see about her claim & how this trio emerged from there to answer some of my worries... and I must admit I was more or less answered by that labour. So it seems this will end up in a last minute rush votes whichever way we look at it as with Greenie being the cobbler she will know G55 has it correct - and interestingly she has said she can be around at the DL... Heh, I was almost going to write here why I came to the conclusion I did but only then realised that it wouldn't interest any of you the least as I'm the only one who doesn't know the situation... and thus am the only one interested in getting confident about how things are. Things being as I think they are I must raise my (imaginary) hat to you guys for making quite risky leaps of faith and getting them right: that's not an everyday thing in werewolf. And I do have to add this still... it is that sudden unwavering confidence that still kind of nags at the back of my head telling me it can't be true and that it was too smooth, like you had planned it together. But then again, no ranger-Nerwen would have made that first reaction toDay suggesting we adopt Sally's plan from yesterDay toDay. And sure any real gifted would have made a feistier counter-reveal - had there been one. I'll refrain from voting for a moment if Boro decides to reveal some twisted new dynamics to this game - or if someone does something considerably mind-boggling (I still have a few essays to read so I'm not able to go to sleep just yet - but I can't afford to stay up until the DL either as it would leave with three hours of sleep). So a vote for Nerwen coming in ½-1 hours. EDIT: X'd with Galadriel __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

12-12-2011, 05:31 PM	#10
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	That said - ++ Shasta Good night, and good luck. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."