Game Thread: TIG XCII - Disaster by the Lake

[Nerwen]

Pitch, Day One.

#36.
Is "not convinced of Zil's innocence". Defends G55 against Nogrod, who saw her comments about "Nights" as a possible wolf-slip; points out that he should have kept his thoughts about her giftedness to himself. Finds Zil more suspicious than Lottie. Not worried about Bom; wants to hear more from Kit; finds Shasta and Agan somewhat sneaky and says he will "see" about Shasta; "no read" on Greenie. "sees nothing" pointing to my being a wolf.

Comment: Not a terribly Seerish-looking post, given that the person he most suspects is Zil – but the repeated use of "see" might have been taken as meaning something.


#40.
Mildly defends Zil; dislikes G55's vote, but doesn't find it necessarily wolvish.


#46. Tells Bom his copycat suspicions are themselves suspicious, and wants him to explain why he suspects me. Replying to Zil, who says he "Wants to lynch [Bom] to be on the safe side", says "I have similar feelings about more than one player in this game."


#71.
Admonishes Nog again for his speculations on G55; defends Lottie, is considering voting Nog; also suspects Kit.


#80. Vote-post.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Time for me to count my metaphoric sheep.

I'm actually quite inclined to vote Nog, but I haven't yet digested the recent discussion about him wholly, and I'd rather not do it in the heat of the moment. So I'll stick with my earlier suspicion:

++Zil

Forgetting about G55's vote sounds almost unbelievable enough to be true, but it still smells of retconning, and I'm not happy with his pounce on Nerwen in the first place. Let's find out.

General comments: reading through Pitch's posts, there's a general "vibe" there that I think could be taken as "gifted". If we go from the assumption that the wolves thought he was the Seer, it's a bit difficult to know who his supposed "dream" would have been– I'd say either me, G55, Lottie, Kit or Nog, the latter two as baddies. However, in the end he voted for Zil (innocent).

EDIT:X'd with a host.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by G55

Or you're missing something that at least I consider obvious.

Oh, it's obvious enough what she's claiming to be– I mean, it's gone beyond hinting– but there's a question of why she'd really want to do this now.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, it's obvious enough what she's claiming to be– I mean, it's gone beyond hinting– but there's a question of why she'd really want to do this now.

Mostly because I miscounted. I thought there were eight people, not nine, and I submitted my post only to realize that I'd forgotten to count myself. (ETA: Which is to say that I thought toDay was endgame, and that we might have to resort to drastic measures.)

If we have no direction toDay, however, it's an obvious solution, so I likely would have come out with it at some point anyway. Besides, the wolves will not attack me at Night (since they don't know who I've chosen as my target), which will leave us with a weapon for toMorrow. It's worked before. It will work again.

Also, I figured I'd save everyone the trouble of analyzing what little I've posted. Our efforts are best spent figuring out who I should be hunting and who we should be lynching.

[Galadriel55]

You know what, sally? I trust you. I am willing to take the risk of believing someone in WW.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I should have broken the ordos out on my first post, but I neglected to do so, for which I apologize.

Remaining:
Three werewolves
One seer
One ranger
One hunter
One cobbler
One ordo

But there's 9 players, not 8. There's 2 ordos and 1 cobbler.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

General comments: reading through Pitch's posts, there's a general "vibe" there that I think could be taken as "gifted". If we go from the assumption that the wolves thought he was the Seer, it's a bit difficult to know who his supposed "dream" would have been– I'd say either me, G55, Lottie, Kit or Nog, the latter two as baddies. However, in the end he voted for Zil (innocent).

I doubt he could have been thought of dreaming Nog - he chose Agan over him yesterDay, when was the perfect chance to lynch him. And if he dreamed Kit, why did he go for Zil? He only mentions her in one post. Same thing with Lottie (well, twice...). Then, I don't think that your reasoning for you and I on the list is entirely correct. Again, the wolves could have thought that he dreamed either me or you, but really - neither of us participated much, and Pitch wasn't the only one who talked a bit about my vote and your IC post. It's not impossible that the wolves thought him Seer based on that, but there are too many ifs.

And I don't feel the "gifted vibe" you talk about - more like an "innocent who's trying his darn best" vibe.

Moreover, even if you accept that the wolves thought Pitch dreamed of one of the 5 people you mention - it one of the five. It's his suspicion list, not his dream.

In other words, I disagree with you that he was thought to be the Seer. More likely he was killed so that the village would think they thought he's the Seer and would try to find clues in his posts that would lead in the wrong direction.

Edit: xed with Nerwen and Sally

[satansaloser2005]

See? I did it again. Goodness. I think that's the cue for my bedtime.

We have nine people. Let's lynch a wolf or lynch me. Either one is fine with me.

Good night, children.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

In other words, I disagree with you that he was thought to be the Seer.

Eh? I didn't actually say I thought that either. I was looking at it as a theory, and seeing if the facts fit, and what, if anything, could be deduced– which is not the same thing.

Originally Posted by G55

More likely he was killed so that the village would think they thought he's the Seer and would try to find clues in his posts that would lead in the wrong direction.

True– but the Night-kill still has to be looked at. And then there's the question of why they would do that, instead of actually trying for gifteds. (Wolf in trouble, perhaps?)

But anyway, I still haven't looked at Pitch on Day Two.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Eh? I didn't actually say I thought that either.

Originally Posted by Nerwen (before)

General comments: reading through Pitch's posts, there's a general "vibe" there that I think could be taken as "gifted". If we go from the assumption that the wolves thought he was the Seer, it's a bit difficult to know who his supposed "dream" would have been...

(underlining mine)

I smell burned dough.



(Am I misunderstanding something here? Do you mean "think" as in "my guess if this theory is true"? In that case, you really ought to be clearer.)




Alright, bedtime for me (rather, way past it). I hope to see some progress in wolf-eliminating when I wake up tomorrow my time.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

(Am I misunderstanding something here? Do you mean "think" as in "my guess if this theory is true"? In that case, you really ought to be clearer.)

Yes, that is what I meant. I thought it was clear enough, but apparently not.

You do understand that what I'm doing here is pretty much standard procedure, right? What's the problem?

[Nerwen]

And why "burned dough"?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Gal

ToDay I will just pretend to be deaf to his posts and try my best to ignore his comments. If he's serving for the evil side (which I'm almost 100% sure he is) he'll try to use all kinds of tricks on us before he dies (if he dies, but he'll use them either way), and personally I don't want my mind muddled with reverse psychology and associations and whatnot from him. He sure knows how to confuse people. I don't want to be led around by him to a wrong direction.

Er - what? This almost makes me feel better about Nog, you know. Looks too much like the wolves having decided during the night to lynch Nog during the Day, and Gal enters the Day considering it a done deal that Nog's the one to lynch. And even if that isn't the case, I don't think anyone can afford to completely ignore someone because they've decided that person's evil. Not at this phase.

I'm not happy with Sally's reveal, either. What's the point of a Hunter reveal, anyway? It makes no sense for us to kill her, does it, we'd just let her decide the lynch instead of us, and lose two villagers instead of one. And if she's really the Hunter, there's no way the wolves are going to go after her now - thus narrowing their options for the Seer, and basically making her own gift useless. I don't get it. Posing as Hunter might be a feasible tack for a Wolf though, if she trusted that we won't choose to lynch her, or a Cobbler: ideally, we'd spend the Day discussing who she should take with her, and when she dies it all turns out to be for nothing. A complete waste of a Day with practically no danger to the wolves at all.

Gah. My head hurts. I have limited time toDay as well but I'll do my best.