WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread

[A Little Green]

Good news? I'm back. Bad news? It's past 2 AM my time.

Originally Posted by Gal

That's Wolfadriel55 the cynic for you (or the realist, if you prefer).

Err - this is a joke, right? Right?

[A Little Green]

Be that as it may, I need a bed now. Thought I'd be back sooner but no can do, shuld be more available toMorrow if I'm still alive. Going after my current top suspect,

++ Nerwen

For her reactions to Pitch and the Pitchwaggon. (More detailed reasons are to be found in my earlier posts.)

Good night folks! Oh, and Lommy and Nog say hi.

[Kath]

Kitanna --> Bom (For setting up Pitch yesterDay.)
Greenie --> Nerwen (For how she reacted to everything surrounding Pitch.)

[Kath]

With those two votes ... I won't vote Bom. He hasn't been on yet toDay so can't defend himself. And I would like a reply from Nerwen about where I'm confused on her thoughts. So I'm not going to be voting for either of them.

I'm clearly of a vastly different opinion on how the voting went yesterDay than some people. This is causing me to be suspicious of them. To me, there was no Pitch-wagon until Bom added a fourth vote with the time to be aware of the previous votes.

Possibilities:
Galadriel or Inzil for apologising for voting Pitch. I just find that very suspicious. It's like going 'Oh silly me! Don't blame me now, will you?'

sally for being hypocritical about the modfire situation. You do the same thing as someone else they can't be bad and you be good.

Boro for imagining a Pitch bandwagon and making a bigger deal out of it than there needs to be.

Quick re-read of Galadriel and Inzil's posts. On a re-read, Galadriel didn't actually apologise, she just stated frustration. Inzil on the other hand definitely apologised and tried to backtrack on his suspicion.

++INZIL

And to bed.

X-POST with Galadriel

[Galadriel55]

Forgetting to say this in the last post I make this a separate post:

I find Nerwen's explanation of her vote slightly peculiar.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I might vote her, simply *because* I don't want a universal bandwaggon – and yeah, her vote was suspect, all right. The only thing I could say about it, really, is that this being *Kath*, she may honestly not realise what you're *supposed* to do on Day One. (Trouble is, looking at Kath tnds to bring Pitch back into it anyway.)

She suspects Kath for her vote for sally, but lets it go because of Kath's usual Day Ones. After the "Pitchwagon" she decides that she doesn't want to vote for someone who is obviously going to be lynched (what chance would there be of someone appearing 2 min. before deadline to save him?) and wants a good discussion about votes (and how they vary). So is that a reason to do a throwaway for someone whom you don't really suspect? Just for generating discussion? And not being associated with the "bandwaggon"?

The more I look at it the fishier it seems.

So once again, unless Nerwen comes with convincing explanations (or corrections, if I have misread her reasoning), I'm 99% sure I'm voting her.



PS:

Originally Posted by Kath

Galadriel - voted for Pitch for meta-game reasons and then says he seemed so suspicious

When exactly did I say this after my vote? Either you are misreading my posts or I am misreading yours. It's true that toDay I "stated frustration", as you put it, but where, toDay, have I said that he was so suspicious (so it's his own fault he was lynched)?

I think many people misunderstand the explanation for my vote yesterDay. I had suspicions for both Bom and Pitch. There were two things that tipped the balance towards Pitch: the ones that I listed. But they were like "last straws", not the foundation.

[Nerwen]

Back and reading,

And just a little note– anyone else think the poster above me (G55) sound like she's sort of– reaching? Or am I just taking things personally?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it is late for me, I feel incredibly tired and I should vote: not a very good combination in the end. Of the possibilities, I don't want to vote Laeko or Azura again, since either there will be a modfire, or then there is little to go with and let's give them a chance. Once. (I won't drag this forever, but even if one of them is a Wolf, it is still only one Wolf, at most two. There still would be somebody out there.) Something similar goes for Bom: just where might he be??

I am still not 100% convinced about Boro, even after his reply to me, he just seems too, arrgh, Mr. Agreeable. Maybe Pitch was in fact reincarnated?

Kath still looks okay to me. Greenie does, well, maybe not look okay in the same sense as Kath does (i.e. does not look innocentish), but does not look guilty either. I am not sure if I should put Nerwen into this group: like Greenie, she does not seem outwardly guilty in any way, but makes me nervous for some reason.

Sally... it's difficult. Kitanna... hard to tell, but inclined to say... hmm... well, in fact, I don't know. Similar with Inzil. These three would deserve more looking at, but I am not really in the state to do it. Which does not actually comfort me very much.

G55 was somewhat suspicious to me basically up to right now, when I am seeing her continuous elaborate posts. Maybe she is just a Wolf with too much time on her hands, but for some reason, I can imagine Wolf doing rather something else than posting analyses of people all the time.

I wonder whom did I forget. Hopefully nobody. But now, short time to think.

EDIT: xed with Nerwen. To note: this sounded genuine.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Nerwen - said TEW would be trailless but hadn't yet checked the posts. Question about the analysis: She says the wolves shouldn't have seen TEW as Gifted given he backed off from the Legate suspicion, but then goes on to mention his 'nervous Gifted' behaviour. Either I'm not following your train of thought or you've flip flopped there Nerwen? I like the sword icon catch though.

Kath, I don't think you can have read my post there properly– I was talking about several different possible scenarios, and you seem to have merged them.

Originally Posted by Legate

To note: this sounded genuine.

Well, now that I *have* caught up in my reading– it looks even more to me like a forced suspicion– like she's seen a chance to lynch me after noting Kit and Greenie's posts on me.

[Laeko_Randalis]

Kit, #137 I'm against protecting your lot. You're lucky you didn't really say anything yesterday.

Sounds like SOMEpony's jealous. Nah, just kidding. You drive a hard, cold logic, but you seem legit nevertheless. Maybe a little too serious, but legit.

And yes, to everypony else, I do understand that my protection ends tonight. I honestly didn't ask for it and the only reason I'm thankful for it is because it took me a while to get into the habit of checking this thread. I might actually be bummed to see Azura go, because it looks like he's gonna get modfired unless he does something last-minute.

Regarding Bom, I didn't like the first impression I got, but that was a combination of the vibe I got from his post combined with his usericon (I know, that's stupid, but his post and his picture seemed to communicate a logical predator cooly observing his prey). But first impressions over texted internet are easily misleading, so I'm going to hope he posts more and see what happens. Hopefully I'll wind up liking him as much as I like his screenname.

If Sally confessed to wanting to lynch TEW after he was proven innocent, my first conclusion is that she's being honest and confessing her mistake (though I missed the post in which she said it. Weird, I could have sworn I read everything after TEW died). Then again, upon further reading, I now understand the suspicion of lynch-apologizing.

[satansaloser2005]

Nerwen: I was wary of the jump as well, but, well, I'll be frank. I rather suspect both of you.

EDIT: clarification, x'd with Laeko

[Nerwen]

And another thing–

Originally Posted by G55

She suspects Kath for her vote for sally, but lets it go because of Kath's usual Day Ones. After the "Pitchwagon" she decides that she doesn't want to vote for someone who is obviously going to be lynched (what chance would there be of someone appearing 2 min. before deadline to save him?) and wants a good discussion about votes (and how they vary). So is that a reason to do a throwaway for someone whom you don't really suspect? Just for generating discussion? And not being associated with the "bandwaggon"?

Whereas I should have jumped on it, as is the duty of all good citizens? I have said– what you have seemingly chosen to ignore– that I did not strongly suspect Pitch either. I had expression my suspicions of him, but I don't think I did so in such terms as to oblige me to go ahead and vote for him. Again– you're reaching.

EDIT:X'd since last post.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, now that I *have* caught up in my reading– it looks even more to me like a forced suspicion– like she's seen a chance to lynch me after noting Kit and Greenie's posts on me.

Just for clarity, I hope it was understood that by that note I was referring to your post sounding genuine, not hers. I.e. it was meant to say: now this post made me feel slightly better about Nerwen.

I don't know, this is all rather difficult. I think I could easily divide village in some way into people who sound like innocents who defend themselves (like Nerwen) and people who sound somehow fake during that (like Gal). Or at least to some extent. Then also I am terribly afraid that we will mess something up mightily.

If somebody now pointed a gun to my head and I were to right now name three Wolves, I would say: Boro, Gal, Inzil. That is, leaving out those I don't hear much from at the moment (Laeko, Azura and Bom). There is also Kitanna in brackets, but I really don't know much about her.

Now okay, if I were to go with one of those three I just named, I would probably leave Boro be for the time being, so it would be either Gal or Zil. That is difficult, since Zil already has a vote, if I am not mistaken, therefore it would be easier to get him lynched. On the other hand, I really am not sure how to choose. There is still the "did the WWs think TEW dreamed of a Zilwolf, or are they framing him, or is it all just a coincidence?" thing (well, personally I think it is at least either of the first two - the problem is which one), that does not help much in the end if we don't know the answer.

But I am closer to deciding. And I have probably said all I wanted to, not that there is much. I will post, see if I cross-posted with somebody, then vote and go to sleep.

EDIT: x-ed with Laeko and others. Okay, that looks actually good - posts!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Well, now that I *have* caught up in my reading– it looks even more to me like a forced suspicion– like she's seen a chance to lynch me after noting Kit and Greenie's posts on me.

Maybe you didn't notice that part, but I have been the first to say that your yesterDay's vote looked funny. In my very first post toDay.

And my suspicions on you strengthened with your reaction. I get the feeling that you're very concerned about getting the spotlight off yourself.


I know it's the norm for me to suspect innocents regardless of my own role, but does that mean that now I can't suspect you just because I missed the mark with Pitch and other people in previous games? Is there anything wrong with having suspicions? Not until they are pointed at you, perhaps?

Edit: xed since the post I quoted

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Err - this is a joke, right? Right?

No, I am a wolf, I thought that was an obvious fact.


Of course it's a joke. Though not the part about the cynic. ^.^

Originally Posted by Laeko

Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.

I, for one, rode that protection to a gallant defeat on my first game (I was wolf). It was fun seeing all the analyses say "G55 looks so wolfish... but she's just a confused innocent making newbie mistakes".

My conclusion: whatever alignment Laeko might be of, I am willing to let her (him?) have the fun of being newbie for an extra Day. She wasn't round much on Day 1, and I think she should have the chance to participate a bit before being bombarded with accusations. (Plus, we don't have much to accuse on.)

Originally Posted by Boro

Ever think about re-channeling the boredom into doing a who you suspect list?

If only you posted before my internet collapsed! (Well, at least that gave me something to do...)


Anyways, one of the top on my suspicion list atm is Nerwen. Perhaps even the highest, since Bom is no-show toDay (where art thou?). Some things about her just don't make sene. There's her vote and some of her statements. I can't ever read her, but she's making me nervous. I'm probably voting her toDay, unless something happens between now and bedtime (such as an appearance from either her or Bom with some things that will change their position on my list for th worst or for the better).

Edit: xed since Greenie's vote.