WW: LXXXVIII - Trouble in the Misty Mountains: Game Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Galadriel55 · 11-04-2011, 05:22 PM

Yes, I'm that bored...... and no, I'm not even touching schoolwork today....

In fact I'm so bored that I will post a picture of a guest from Elftown:

*yawn*

Boromir88 · 11-04-2011, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Yes, I'm that bored...... and no, I'm not even touching schoolwork today....

In fact I'm so bored that I will post a picture of a guest from Elftown:

*yawn*

Ever think about re-channeling the boredom into doing a who you suspect list?

Kath · 11-04-2011, 05:43 PM

I need to vote now as I'm going to bed.

Timezones suck. I really want a definite answer on modfires and it looks like I'm not going to get one.

What I'm tempted to do is to vote for a potential modfire candidate. That way if Shasta does say modfire is happening then you guys can figure out what to do and my vote might come in useful.

On the other hand, clearly I don't actually suspect either of the potential modfire candidates as there is nothing to suspect them for!

So what I shall do is post this and go off and make my customary list to see if there is someone I have reason to suspect. In the meantime if there are any thoughts on the above please say.

Inziladun · 11-04-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Laeko_Randalis

Sally: #116, "benefiting us innocents?" You seem somewhat eager to point out your innocence, and that is making you seem suspicious. Then again, that's been pointed out before, so either you missed it, you forgot about it, or you're hoping that by repeatedly proclaiming your supposed innocence that you convince us that way. Have no idea whether that will work or not.

I've made note of that as well. It does tend to be something of a Sallyism to declare herself innocent, though I don't seem to recall it happening so frequently under negligible threat of lynching.

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Originally Posted by Laeko_Randalis

Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.

Just keep in mind newbie-passes expire Day 2.

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Originally Posted by Kath

On the other hand, clearly I don't actually suspect either of the potential modfire candidates as there is nothing to suspect them for!

And one of them has now appeared.

satansaloser2005 · 11-04-2011, 06:01 PM

The mod has spoken (well, texted). Normal modfire rules apply.

X'd with Kit

A Little Green · 11-04-2011, 06:16 PM

Good news? I'm back. Bad news? It's past 2 AM my time.

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Originally Posted by Gal

That's Wolfadriel55 the cynic for you (or the realist, if you prefer).

Err - this is a joke, right? Right?

A Little Green · 11-04-2011, 06:31 PM

Be that as it may, I need a bed now. Thought I'd be back sooner but no can do, shuld be more available toMorrow if I'm still alive. Going after my current top suspect,

++ Nerwen

For her reactions to Pitch and the Pitchwaggon. (More detailed reasons are to be found in my earlier posts.)

Good night folks! Oh, and Lommy and Nog say hi.

Kath · 11-04-2011, 06:35 PM

Kitanna --> Bom (For setting up Pitch yesterDay.)
Greenie --> Nerwen (For how she reacted to everything surrounding Pitch.)

Galadriel55 · 11-04-2011, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Err - this is a joke, right? Right?

No, I am a wolf, I thought that was an obvious fact.

Of course it's a joke.

Though not the part about the cynic. ^.^

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laeko

Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.

I, for one, rode that protection to a gallant defeat on my first game (I was wolf). It was fun seeing all the analyses say "G55 looks so wolfish... but she's just a confused innocent making newbie mistakes".

My conclusion: whatever alignment Laeko might be of, I am willing to let her (him?) have the fun of being newbie for an extra Day. She wasn't round much on Day 1, and I think she should have the chance to participate a bit before being bombarded with accusations. (Plus, we don't have much to accuse on.)

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Originally Posted by Boro

Ever think about re-channeling the boredom into doing a who you suspect list?

If only you posted before my internet collapsed! (Well, at least that gave me something to do...

)

Anyways, one of the top on my suspicion list atm is Nerwen. Perhaps even the highest, since Bom is no-show toDay (where art thou?). Some things about her just don't make sene. There's her vote and some of her statements. I can't ever read her, but she's making me nervous. I'm probably voting her toDay, unless something happens between now and bedtime (such as an appearance from either her or Bom with some things that will change their position on my list for th worst or for the better).

Edit: xed since Greenie's vote.

Kath · 11-04-2011, 06:33 PM

Vote tally from yesterDay:

Kath --> sally (As an incentive to be useful!)
Pitch --> Galadriel (For refusing to join in with useful discussion.)
Legate --> TEW (As an incentive to stop being lazy.)
Inzil --> Pitch (For accusing him of harping on and switching suspects suddenly.)
Kitanna --> Pitch (For trying to help packmate Bom not seem so wolvish? I think? Not sure here.)
Galadriel --> Pitch (For meta-game reasons.)
(Inzil, Kitanna and Galadriel all cross-posted these votes.)
Bom --> Pitch (Makes it 4 votes. No explanation in the vote post.)
Boro --> Kath (To make sure I explained my vote toDay.)
TEW --> Inzil (No explanation in vote post but based on previous suspicions.)
sally --> TEW (For a forced feel to his posts.)
Nerwen --> Kath (For an ill-reasoned vote.)

Didn't vote:
Greenie (I've been ignoring her as a modfire candidate. She'll vote toDay I'm sure.)
Azura
Laeko

Well it's pretty clear that Bom struck the decisive blow for Pitch. Having seen three cross-posted votes he definitely put the final nail in that coffin. If he is a wolf that seems a very bold move. Based just on this the people I'd be most suspicious of would be TEW and sally, given their votes. They knew Greenie wasn't reappearing and one newbie hadn't shown at all. Yet their votes go to two completely unrepresented people in the vote tally thus far. Throwaway votes really. TEW though we now know to be innocent. Therefore I can't be certain the same isn't true for sally.

So, to toDay:
Nerwen - said TEW would be trailless but hadn't yet checked the posts. Question about the analysis: She says the wolves shouldn't have seen TEW as Gifted given he backed off from the Legate suspicion, but then goes on to mention his 'nervous Gifted' behaviour. Either I'm not following your train of thought or you've flip flopped there Nerwen? I like the sword icon catch though.

Legate - good reasoning behind his ideas. Going for the no-trace option which I think is less likely, but is possible. Starts to suspect Galadriel after the same post I just read and didn't like. Going the opposite way to sally - thinking we have wolves laying low. Starting to suspect sally for not joining in. (Seeing a theme her Legate!). And Boro for not being jumpy enough I think!

Galadriel - voted for Pitch for meta-game reasons and then says he seemed so suspicious. Don't like that. An organised lynch is like a ... something that doesn't work. Pretty much unless the Seer reveals a wolf name near the beginning of the Day it just doesn't happen that everyone votes together. There can never be enough trust.

Kitanna - posts as a train of thought! I like it.

I'm not convinced about being suspicious of someone for muddling names up, it happens. Her other thoughts on Galadriel are pretty well reasoned though. I've discussed my vote. I hadn't thought about Nerwen's vote for me being suspicious. I was more pleased that she had chosen someone already on the potential lynch-list rather than a throwaway. Argues against modfire - reasonably. Ends up voting Bom for some well thought through reasons I think. Only thing I don't like about it is that Bom hasn't spoken yet toDay and it is tough voting someone when they haven't had a chance to defend themselves. That said, time limits are time limits.

Greenie - ambivalence about sally, suspicion of Nerwen for pushing others to suspect Pitch while avoiding it herself but then pretty much takes it back so nothing definite there. Suspects Zil but no reasoning/analysis.

sally - says she's ill. States she wanted to lynch TEW. A little odd given he's just been proven innocent. Feels we may have bold wolves. Meaning what sally? Loudmouths? Bandwaggonning voters? Begins the modfire discussion. sally says modfires lose us phases but 'I'm really fine either way, but you're being pretty cavalier with our numbers.' Sorry, you can't be fine about doing either, and be accusing someone else of being cavalier about numbers. If the modfires gain us phases then great, more Days to try and catch a wolf. If they lose us phases, fewer Days to try and catch a wolf. 'Fine either way' isn't really acceptable then!

Inzil - really don't like it when people apologise for their votes posthumously (ach, that's not the right words but you know what I mean.) Seems to scream guilt. Could be a particular playing style but even if so I don't like it. Some suspicion of Bom for his vote placement. Agrees with Kitanna about not voting modfires.

Boro - tries to meld the trailless kill vs set up options. Yeah fair point there could be more than one reason going on. TEW was chosen and there must have been a reason why he was chosen over others. Largely I think that has been decently analysed toDay. Questions Legate about his vote. Argues against modfires. I disagree with Boro about the cross-posting for Pitch. If all three cross-posted then to each person there was only one vote for Pitch for them at that time. They would have each been the first to vote. So how can their timing have been suspicious? There was no bandwagon until the cross-posting dust cleared.

Laeko - hey! Our newbie reappeared! This may change our entire modfire thoughts anyway! I like this so far - some good thoughts and reasoned suspicion of sally.

And just saw sally's post about Shasta's text. Normal modfire rules are ...? No vote for two Days or no posts for two Days?

Ok, posting this, going to do a vote tally for toDay (hah! That'll be time-consuming

) and then I'll vote.

satansaloser2005 · 11-04-2011, 07:02 PM

Kath: Yes. Two Days without voting equals death.

Based on both yesterDay's malarkey and reactions to my modfire plan toDay....

I will not vote for:
Kath
Kit
Greenie
Dun
Legate

I'm also excluding the newbies, of course, you silly people. Thank you very much for reacting to the plan, however.

Undoubtedly x'd

Laeko_Randalis · 11-04-2011, 05:36 PM

Boy do peole write a lot. But darned if I'm gonna be mod-fired that easily.

Quoting Boromir: #113 "But I can't see either you or Inzil being bothered much, by vague and slight suspicions if you were wolves."

Not to mention, it's usually very unwise to kill the person who voted for you. Then again, if there'd be any time TO do it, it would be the first kill, before "relationships" have been established and everyone's still all fuzzy about… well, everything!

And as has been pointed out, it's still early in the game, and it's just as likely that the wolves are as scared as the rest of us, wanting to make sure not to give themselves away. And hey, it does make a heck of a distraction to kill a target that they don't have much to go on.

Sally: #116, "benefiting us innocents?" You seem somewhat eager to point out your innocence, and that is making you seem suspicious. Then again, that's been pointed out before, so either you missed it, you forgot about it, or you're hoping that by repeatedly proclaiming your supposed innocence that you convince us that way. Have no idea whether that will work or not.

Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.

11-04-2011, 06:01 PM	#5
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	The mod has spoken (well, texted). Normal modfire rules apply. X'd with Kit __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-04-2011, 06:31 PM	#7
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	Be that as it may, I need a bed now. Thought I'd be back sooner but no can do, shuld be more available toMorrow if I'm still alive. Going after my current top suspect, ++ Nerwen For her reactions to Pitch and the Pitchwaggon. (More detailed reasons are to be found in my earlier posts.) Good night folks! Oh, and Lommy and Nog say hi. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

11-04-2011, 05:36 PM	#12
Laeko_Randalis Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 12	I'm Alive! Boy do peole write a lot. But darned if I'm gonna be mod-fired that easily. Quoting Boromir: #113 "But I can't see either you or Inzil being bothered much, by vague and slight suspicions if you were wolves." Not to mention, it's usually very unwise to kill the person who voted for you. Then again, if there'd be any time TO do it, it would be the first kill, before "relationships" have been established and everyone's still all fuzzy about… well, everything! And as has been pointed out, it's still early in the game, and it's just as likely that the wolves are as scared as the rest of us, wanting to make sure not to give themselves away. And hey, it does make a heck of a distraction to kill a target that they don't have much to go on. Sally: #116, "benefiting us innocents?" You seem somewhat eager to point out your innocence, and that is making you seem suspicious. Then again, that's been pointed out before, so either you missed it, you forgot about it, or you're hoping that by repeatedly proclaiming your supposed innocence that you convince us that way. Have no idea whether that will work or not. Cripes, I hate being a newbie, though the "protection" is nice, I suppose.

11-04-2011, 05:22 PM	#1
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	Yes, I'm that bored...... and no, I'm not even touching schoolwork today.... In fact I'm so bored that I will post a picture of a guest from Elftown: yawn __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

11-04-2011, 05:43 PM	#3
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	I need to vote now as I'm going to bed. Timezones suck. I really want a definite answer on modfires and it looks like I'm not going to get one. What I'm tempted to do is to vote for a potential modfire candidate. That way if Shasta does say modfire is happening then you guys can figure out what to do and my vote might come in useful. On the other hand, clearly I don't actually suspect either of the potential modfire candidates as there is nothing to suspect them for! So what I shall do is post this and go off and make my customary list to see if there is someone I have reason to suspect. In the meantime if there are any thoughts on the above please say.

11-04-2011, 06:35 PM	#8
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Kitanna --> Bom (For setting up Pitch yesterDay.) Greenie --> Nerwen (For how she reacted to everything surrounding Pitch.)

11-04-2011, 06:33 PM	#10
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Vote tally from yesterDay: Kath --> sally (As an incentive to be useful!) Pitch --> Galadriel (For refusing to join in with useful discussion.) Legate --> TEW (As an incentive to stop being lazy.) Inzil --> Pitch (For accusing him of harping on and switching suspects suddenly.) Kitanna --> Pitch (For trying to help packmate Bom not seem so wolvish? I think? Not sure here.) Galadriel --> Pitch (For meta-game reasons.) (Inzil, Kitanna and Galadriel all cross-posted these votes.) Bom --> Pitch (Makes it 4 votes. No explanation in the vote post.) Boro --> Kath (To make sure I explained my vote toDay.) TEW --> Inzil (No explanation in vote post but based on previous suspicions.) sally --> TEW (For a forced feel to his posts.) Nerwen --> Kath (For an ill-reasoned vote.) Didn't vote: Greenie (I've been ignoring her as a modfire candidate. She'll vote toDay I'm sure.) Azura Laeko Well it's pretty clear that Bom struck the decisive blow for Pitch. Having seen three cross-posted votes he definitely put the final nail in that coffin. If he is a wolf that seems a very bold move. Based just on this the people I'd be most suspicious of would be TEW and sally, given their votes. They knew Greenie wasn't reappearing and one newbie hadn't shown at all. Yet their votes go to two completely unrepresented people in the vote tally thus far. Throwaway votes really. TEW though we now know to be innocent. Therefore I can't be certain the same isn't true for sally. So, to toDay: Nerwen - said TEW would be trailless but hadn't yet checked the posts. Question about the analysis: She says the wolves shouldn't have seen TEW as Gifted given he backed off from the Legate suspicion, but then goes on to mention his 'nervous Gifted' behaviour. Either I'm not following your train of thought or you've flip flopped there Nerwen? I like the sword icon catch though. Legate - good reasoning behind his ideas. Going for the no-trace option which I think is less likely, but is possible. Starts to suspect Galadriel after the same post I just read and didn't like. Going the opposite way to sally - thinking we have wolves laying low. Starting to suspect sally for not joining in. (Seeing a theme her Legate!). And Boro for not being jumpy enough I think! Galadriel - voted for Pitch for meta-game reasons and then says he seemed so suspicious. Don't like that. An organised lynch is like a ... something that doesn't work. Pretty much unless the Seer reveals a wolf name near the beginning of the Day it just doesn't happen that everyone votes together. There can never be enough trust. Kitanna - posts as a train of thought! I like it. I'm not convinced about being suspicious of someone for muddling names up, it happens. Her other thoughts on Galadriel are pretty well reasoned though. I've discussed my vote. I hadn't thought about Nerwen's vote for me being suspicious. I was more pleased that she had chosen someone already on the potential lynch-list rather than a throwaway. Argues against modfire - reasonably. Ends up voting Bom for some well thought through reasons I think. Only thing I don't like about it is that Bom hasn't spoken yet toDay and it is tough voting someone when they haven't had a chance to defend themselves. That said, time limits are time limits. Greenie - ambivalence about sally, suspicion of Nerwen for pushing others to suspect Pitch while avoiding it herself but then pretty much takes it back so nothing definite there. Suspects Zil but no reasoning/analysis. sally - says she's ill. States she wanted to lynch TEW. A little odd given he's just been proven innocent. Feels we may have bold wolves. Meaning what sally? Loudmouths? Bandwaggonning voters? Begins the modfire discussion. sally says modfires lose us phases but 'I'm really fine either way, but you're being pretty cavalier with our numbers.' Sorry, you can't be fine about doing either, and be accusing someone else of being cavalier about numbers. If the modfires gain us phases then great, more Days to try and catch a wolf. If they lose us phases, fewer Days to try and catch a wolf. 'Fine either way' isn't really acceptable then! Inzil - really don't like it when people apologise for their votes posthumously (ach, that's not the right words but you know what I mean.) Seems to scream guilt. Could be a particular playing style but even if so I don't like it. Some suspicion of Bom for his vote placement. Agrees with Kitanna about not voting modfires. Boro - tries to meld the trailless kill vs set up options. Yeah fair point there could be more than one reason going on. TEW was chosen and there must have been a reason why he was chosen over others. Largely I think that has been decently analysed toDay. Questions Legate about his vote. Argues against modfires. I disagree with Boro about the cross-posting for Pitch. If all three cross-posted then to each person there was only one vote for Pitch for them at that time. They would have each been the first to vote. So how can their timing have been suspicious? There was no bandwagon until the cross-posting dust cleared. Laeko - hey! Our newbie reappeared! This may change our entire modfire thoughts anyway! I like this so far - some good thoughts and reasoned suspicion of sally. And just saw sally's post about Shasta's text. Normal modfire rules are ...? No vote for two Days or no posts for two Days? Ok, posting this, going to do a vote tally for toDay (hah! That'll be time-consuming ) and then I'll vote.

11-04-2011, 07:02 PM	#11
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Kath: Yes. Two Days without voting equals death. Based on both yesterDay's malarkey and reactions to my modfire plan toDay.... I will not vote for: Kath Kit Greenie Dun Legate I'm also excluding the newbies, of course, you silly people. Thank you very much for reacting to the plan, however. Undoubtedly x'd __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.