WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[satansaloser2005]

Please excuse my absence. I was mobbed by the paparazzi. I'm sure you all know what it's- Oh. Right. Never mind then.

So our intrepid Boromir claims to be the hunter then? How interesting. I don't expect anyone will contest his claims even if he is laying, so I think we should leave him alone for toDay and see what happens.


OOC: Abigail's dying, so I have to leave. I'll hop in and out from my phone.

[Galadriel55]

Lottie, will you tell us Zil's role?

Eta: I assume he's ordo for now, not Gifted...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Lottie, will you tell us Zil's role?

Eta: I assume he's ordo for now, not Gifted...

Yes, sorry, edited that in.

[Eruhen]

Alrighty, since Nilp isn't here to post a vote list, I'll do it...

Night 1:
Lottie killed. Director.

Day 1 Votes:

Glirdy --> Boro (1)
Eomer --> Glirdy (1)
Bom --> Boro (2)
Zil --> Mac (1)
Mac --> Zil (1)
Boro--> Bom (1)
Shasta --> Glirdy (2)
Eonwe --> Sally (1)
G55 --> Eruhen (1)
Eruhen --> Bom (2, post-DL)

FINAL COUNT:

Glirdy, Boro - 2
Bom, Mac, Zil, Sally, Eruhen - 1


Tie between Glirdy and Boro, 2 apiece.

Glirdy lynched. Ordo.

Night 2:

Zil killed. Ordo.

[Boromir88]

First thing, what I meant responding to Eruhen here is...

(Left out quote I referred to, editting it in)

You don't understand. I did not get a pick during Night 1. I have no name to give in and it only applies to being killed. Not lynched.

I got no choice Night 1, and don't have any activity during the day. Hence, if I was lynched yesterday there would be absolutely no chance to take a wolf with me because I did not get to send in a name on Night 1.

Now, whoever I chose last night, if I'm lynched and if the person is a wolf will die too. If not, nothing happens. If it's decided to lynch me, I will tell you who my choice was and that way if nothing happens you'll have a known innocent. Otherwise, I will keep my night picks to myself. This sound good/make sense?

Second order of business. Absolutely no excuses for the voting yesterday. None. Sorry if some of you were busy or what not, but that was ridiculous. Come on people, voting is the best chance to kill wolves. If it continues on the same path as yesterday, this will be a short and easy wolves' win. Now you see why I was testy and frantic yesterday I hope, 2 votes. 2 fricken votes lynched somebody. Inexcusable.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Most disconcerting, this. I came here to portray one who exemplified wisdom, and I shall do my best to discern the safest course of action for us. Money is nice, but for the moment I think safety is preferable.

It will be helpful if all make it a point to share their ideas, and not simply lurk in the background waiting for others to do so.

G55 seems a bit glib under the circumstances, perhaps. But then people have strange reactions sometimes to danger.

x/d with Eruhen- Unfortunately I lack the healing powers of the Lord of Imladris.

(Underlining mine). On hindsight, the underlined words probably screamed "Seer" to the wolves.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

So it's that easy, then? Seems a bit too easy, rather like sending the Ring over Sea.

However, it's certainly possible we have evil ones among the first posters, excited about their work and confident.

x/d with G55

Nothing much here.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

You'd be hard pressed to do so.

Does this make Glirdy look bad for making a safe-seeming, random vote, or good for being so obvious about it? Hmm...

The first bit referrs to finding a normal person among us (normal, not ordo don't get excited). The second - to Glirdy's vote. While I totall agree with his "Hmm", nothing about Zil jumps out here, or the reson for the kill.

#55 is Bomanalysis that I won't quote in full. The conclusion:

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Conclusions? He seems a bit carefree and fearless if he's a wolf, but does come off as a little defensive. Then again, as I said, the force with which some have decided to go after him makes me wonder.

Indefinite attitude towards Bom.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Thought you were leaning toward Shasta, weren't you Bom? That's changed because it's now Boro who's after you?

Originally Posted by Inziladun

It isn't lost on me that Bom's vote was the second on Boro, either.

This has a more accusing tone.

#70 is a vote count.

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I don't know that I want to choose between Bom and Boro on the basis of toDay. Let's go another direction.

++McCaber


He makes a very effective evil submarine, and I don't recall seeing anything from him but a couple of easy jabs at Bom.

x/d with all since #73. Well, at least the Seer's got some good leads now....

The vote. Quite out of the blue, considering that nothing much has been said of McC the entire game. It is well explained, but could have alerted the wolves if Cabbie is one of them - he wasn't the only submarine.

However, the last part points against my earlier theory of wolves killing Zil on grounds of potential Seerdom. It doesn't sound like a thing a Seer would say. However, the wolves may have thought otherwise.


So, what does this summary give us? Zil could have been mistaken for the Seer. Or, he could have simply been a villager whose death won't point to anyone in particular, or point at a wrong direction. If it's the latter, this whole thing was pretty much pointless (but I, personally, needed to go through all the posts at least because otherwise I'd bugger myself until I do ). However, if he was really suspected of Seering, McC and Bom, and to some extent Glirdy could have been the ones worried about him last Night.

I've probably done more flip-flopping on everyone and everything in this post than I've done throughout the entire previous game of WW, but I want to consider all the possibilities.


Now, having done this, I'll try to summarise yesterDay's votes (what a mess they were!). Hopefully they'll prove more helpful, or at least useful, than this summary.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

However, if he was really suspected of Seering, McC and Bom, and to some extent Glirdy could have been the ones worried about him last Night.

I can't help feeling that was the least of Glirdan's worries...

EDIT:X'd with Boro.

[Eruhen]

Sounds fair enough to me, Boro. What do the others think, though?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

Second order of business. Absolutely no excuses for the voting yesterday. None. Sorry if some of you were busy or what not, but that was ridiculous. Come on people, voting is the best chance to kill wolves. If it continues on the same path as yesterday, this will be a short and easy wolves' win. Now you see why I was testy and frantic yesterday I hope, 2 votes. 2 fricken votes lynched somebody. Inexcusable.

This, in its entirety. I'd be very interested in looking at the people who voted yesterday after Boro's Hunter claim, because apparently none of them were too invested in saving him.

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

This, in its entirety. I'd be very interested in looking at the people who voted yesterday after Boro's Hunter claim, because apparently none of them were too invested in saving him.

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine". That's common enough for emergency votes– but indeed, you'd think people who were simply trying save a claimed gifted would go for someone else who already had votes. I suppose they might have lost track, though.

EDIT:X'd with G55.
EDIT2: Correction: Steve voted for Sally, and G55 for Eruhen, both as "submarines".

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine".

That's not right. I said I'd vote for a submarine, then followed it up with a Sally-vote (with a few x-posts in between). Then, after that, G55 says that she will be voting for submarines and votes Eruhen.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine". That's common enough for emergency votes– but indeed, you'd think people who were simply trying save a claimed gifted would go for someone else who already had votes. I suppose they might have lost track, though.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

I didn't vote Sally. Eonwe did.

Edit: my bad, I read on and see that he just said the same thing.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

As I said, she felt a bit submariney to me. 3 posts, all of them IC. Since she didn't mention anything about having any problems with getting on, it all seemed a bit suspicious (and unusual).

At the time of voting, the only person other than Boro to have votes was Glirdy, and with so many left to vote, it could've gone in any direction. I just voted for who I found most suspicious at the time.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I can't help feeling that was the least of Glirdan's worries...

My apologies to everyone. So stupid of me. Proves that by the time I reach a conclusion, my brain doesn't function anymore.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

I was, as you said, rushed. Very rushed (I'm not entirely sure my vote was on time, even - it was after Lottie's DL announcement, but still at :00). I didn't want to vote someone like Sally, Nerwen, and Tum who barely said anything / didn't say anything at all, but someone who was well under my radar, like Eruhen happened, and still happens, to be.

If you want to hear why I didn't vote a +2 for someone else - it was really messy. I didn't want to take sides on anything. As Cabbie said yesterDay, everything started happening during the last 10 minutes or so. If you really want to, call my vote a throwaway. A first vote for someone who doesn't have any votes yet by DL time couldn't be called otherwise, so I won't argue.

Last game, I did a throwaway a few minutes before DL to take attention away from my packmate. But I hope no one will say that a vote made on the DL can change anyone's minds in time!



YesterDay I still doubted Boro's hunting abilities. I was torn between whether he's really the hunter, or a wolf who is desperate to survive, as it looks he's going to be lynched. ToDay I'm inclined to trust him more - would a wolf really go that far and risk that much? Moreover, it is now obvious what this is referring to:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Seer and Hunter.

Edit: xed since my own again

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

I thought there was enough people around (as few as there indeed were) to not vote for Glirdan. I mean he had 2 votes and I didn't know how many people would vote for him.

You're right it would have been smarter to just vote Glirdan to save myself because even after my reveal wolf or not, no one would have added another vote to me. But I didn't particularly want to see Glirdan lynched yet again for no reason other than don't lynch me.

I don't know what was up with all that last minute voting though. Yes it was frantic, me included. I could have done better co-ordinating at the end, but really I mean everyone voted someone different? Thanks Shasta, you bought yourself a few good days of my grace before I have to seriously consider looking at you as a suspect.

Believe it or not, I'm still waiting to hear from Bom today before deciding whether I would have no question he's a wolf and lynch him, or if I let other stuff get in the way of better judgement. Gotta love revenge voting, it's not WW without 'em.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry Glirdan. Not the best choice I could have made.

And Inzil deid? The immediate thing to take from this is suspicion of McCaber and Bom.

Eonwe and G55 seem likely innocents to me. Not sure, of course. Certain others look suspicious too; I'll try to go through it in more detail later.

[Galadriel55]

Glirdy-->Boro
Eomer-->Glirdy
Bom-->Boro [2]
Zil-->McC
McC-->Zil
Boro-->Bom
Shasta-->Glirdy [2]
Eonwe-->Sally
....Lottie announces DL.....
G55-->Eruhen (though it's still :00)
Eruhen-->Bom [2] (it's :01)

7 different people were voted!

*takes a deep breath*

These are really amess, and really random. Including mine. Let's look at some explanations.

Glirdy voted randomly and early for RL reasons. Naught to pick at (as if there could be anything, him in that bottomless pit and all...)

Eomer says:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Sally fits the criteria (oh wow, I never find her suspicious or anything... ), as does Glirdan. I'm totally aware that I myself fit my own criteria of not adding anything to the discussion....

...until now

Sorry Glirdan, but just not enough from you today. And the first vote is always a safe one. Chances are you're a busy innocent but, because no-one else is really jumping out at me, you're acting the conservative wolf.

(underlining mine). Anyone else see a double meaning in that?

Bom votes Boro and says:

Originally Posted by Bom Tombadillo

I do seem to recall saying that I would vote Shasta if nothing else came up, though. And it was entirely unintentional that my vote was the second for Boromir88.

Zil chooses not to take sides on the BOROBOM

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I don't know that I want to choose between Bom and Boro on the basis of toDay. Let's go another direction.

++McCaber


He makes a very effective evil submarine, and I don't recall seeing anything from him but a couple of easy jabs at Bom.

Nothing wrong here either, but the vote is kinda random.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Well, now I'm willing to give Boromir the benefit of the doubt, even if he is mistaken on how the rules work. And I don't have a whole lot of ideas on others, because all the analysis came out within ten minutes of the DL. So a wild shot in the dark would be

++Inziladun

Because he kind of tripped my radar, and voted for me. Vengeance is mine!

I see nothing wrong here either.

Boro votes Bom. The BOROBOM is continued.

Shasta's vote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Boro claims Hunter, have to vote to save him, will think about it when I can.

++Glirdan

And later:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Ack, I thought Glirdan had the most votes except for Boro, but couldn't remember for sure... I have no idea what's just happened.

Ok. I also was lost in that flood of literally last-minute votes.

Eonwe votes Sally. No proper explanation (probably out of time), but said before that she's under his radar.

I vote Eruhen. I don't have time to explain, though I have said that I'm voting a submarine.

Eruhen votes Bom.

Edit: xed since my last post (it took me a long while to write this for some reason...)