WW XC: Lord of the Rings 2: The Quest For More Money

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

Second order of business. Absolutely no excuses for the voting yesterday. None. Sorry if some of you were busy or what not, but that was ridiculous. Come on people, voting is the best chance to kill wolves. If it continues on the same path as yesterday, this will be a short and easy wolves' win. Now you see why I was testy and frantic yesterday I hope, 2 votes. 2 fricken votes lynched somebody. Inexcusable.

This, in its entirety. I'd be very interested in looking at the people who voted yesterday after Boro's Hunter claim, because apparently none of them were too invested in saving him.

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

This, in its entirety. I'd be very interested in looking at the people who voted yesterday after Boro's Hunter claim, because apparently none of them were too invested in saving him.

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine". That's common enough for emergency votes– but indeed, you'd think people who were simply trying save a claimed gifted would go for someone else who already had votes. I suppose they might have lost track, though.

EDIT:X'd with G55.
EDIT2: Correction: Steve voted for Sally, and G55 for Eruhen, both as "submarines".

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine".

That's not right. I said I'd vote for a submarine, then followed it up with a Sally-vote (with a few x-posts in between). Then, after that, G55 says that she will be voting for submarines and votes Eruhen.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Steve gave no reason; G55 voted Sally as a "submarine". That's common enough for emergency votes– but indeed, you'd think people who were simply trying save a claimed gifted would go for someone else who already had votes. I suppose they might have lost track, though.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

I didn't vote Sally. Eonwe did.

Edit: my bad, I read on and see that he just said the same thing.

[Nerwen]

G55 and Eonwe–

Sorry about that– it's because you both gave your reasons separately from your vote posts.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by G55

If you want to hear why I didn't vote a +2 for someone else - it was really messy. I didn't want to take sides on anything. As Cabbie said yesterDay, everything started happening during the last 10 minutes or so. If you really want to, call my vote a throwaway. A first vote for someone who doesn't have any votes yet by DL time couldn't be called otherwise, so I won't argue.

(bolding mine)

Okay, I can understand, maybe, the last-minute-vote-throwaway, in all the confusion. But that bolded part just blares "wolf" to me. You didn't want to take sides?

Why not?

Either you didn't think Boro was lying, or you did. If you thought Boro was lying, why not vote him? If you didn't, why not vote to save him? A vote on Eruhen at that point accomplished exactly nothing - your only reason for voting was that she was "under your radar".

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Why not?

Good question.

Before taking sides, one needs to consider what sides there are and which one is best to take. If I would have voted for someone that was already named just for the sake of taking a side, it would have been as blind a vote as Glirdan's, even though it was half a day later.

You seem to have latched onto my vote, and are trying to find something wrong with it. Lets say I voted for either Glirdy or Boro - would you then say that I saved a packmate from being lynched by voting someone who already had votes?

Anyways, you're onto the wrong person: no wolf here. Although you're as likely to believe that as Legolas is to shoot and miss.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Either you didn't think Boro was lying, or you did.

Neither. I wasn't sure about him. I'm still not entirely sure about him, but as I said, now I am more inclined to believe him. (I know this isn't really related to the argument, but I'd laugh my head off if he turns out to be a clever fake revealing wolf )

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

A vote on Eruhen at that point accomplished exactly nothing - your only reason for voting was that she was "under your radar".

Steve's vote accomplished just as much, but you don't press him about it.

?

PS: let me guess, now you're going to accuse me of being defensive?

[Folwren]

(OOC: Sorry I'm so late. Won't be posting anything profound this evening. I'm about half dead with weariness.)

I find it really disturbing that Inzil is actually dead...and it's not just a fake body with fake blood.

Anyway, about the current debate...eeh...it was crazy for a first day voting. Boromir's right in that it is inexcusable that Glirdan was lynched with only two votes. I haven't got much to say, I was so busy writing an analysis of Boromir that I missed his reveal until I was reading up the posts I'd crossed posted with, and then I got so caught up in seeing who was being voted for, and reading that Boromir was the Hunter, that I completely missed deadline. I glanced down at the clock right at 7:00 and then was going to see about who to vote for when Lottie called deadline.

I really think that most votes were cast out because no one really felt they had anything to vote on. Quite honestly, I expected either Bom or Boromir to go yesterday, what with them being at each other's throats all day. Instead, who goes, but Glirdan, who hardly posted at all, and didn't offend a single person. In the wrong place at the wrong time, I guess.

For the record, Galadriel the fifty-fifth, I believe what you say about not know who to vote for. At least, right now when I'm half asleep and extremely tired, I do. Maybe I'll think differently in the morning.

I'm going to bed. G'night.

-- Foley

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by G55

Steve's vote accomplished just as much, but you don't press him about it.

I already said I'm looking at you both for the same reason. The fact that you said you "didn't want to take sides" is what drew me to you first.

Originally Posted by G55

Before taking sides, one needs to consider what sides there are and which one is best to take. If I would have voted for someone that was already named just for the sake of taking a side, it would have been as blind a vote as Glirdan's, even though it was half a day later.

So, instead, you threw away a vote on someone who very likely wouldn't be lynched, instead of voting to save the claimed Gifted role? Eh. Seems odd to me, still.

Originally Posted by G55

You seem to have latched onto my vote, and are trying to find something wrong with it. Lets say I voted for either Glirdy or Boro - would you then say that I saved a packmate from being lynched by voting someone who already had votes?

Given that I believe Boro's hunter claim, if you had voted for Glirdan, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, .

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

As I said, she felt a bit submariney to me. 3 posts, all of them IC. Since she didn't mention anything about having any problems with getting on, it all seemed a bit suspicious (and unusual).

At the time of voting, the only person other than Boro to have votes was Glirdy, and with so many left to vote, it could've gone in any direction. I just voted for who I found most suspicious at the time.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I can't help feeling that was the least of Glirdan's worries...

My apologies to everyone. So stupid of me. Proves that by the time I reach a conclusion, my brain doesn't function anymore.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In any case, I'm especially interested in G55 and Eonwe. I don't remember either of them stating why they were voting who they were voting (Eruhen and sally respectively) - granted, I did skim in my rush to vote yesterday, but I think they could both do with a re-state.

I was, as you said, rushed. Very rushed (I'm not entirely sure my vote was on time, even - it was after Lottie's DL announcement, but still at :00). I didn't want to vote someone like Sally, Nerwen, and Tum who barely said anything / didn't say anything at all, but someone who was well under my radar, like Eruhen happened, and still happens, to be.

If you want to hear why I didn't vote a +2 for someone else - it was really messy. I didn't want to take sides on anything. As Cabbie said yesterDay, everything started happening during the last 10 minutes or so. If you really want to, call my vote a throwaway. A first vote for someone who doesn't have any votes yet by DL time couldn't be called otherwise, so I won't argue.

Last game, I did a throwaway a few minutes before DL to take attention away from my packmate. But I hope no one will say that a vote made on the DL can change anyone's minds in time!



YesterDay I still doubted Boro's hunting abilities. I was torn between whether he's really the hunter, or a wolf who is desperate to survive, as it looks he's going to be lynched. ToDay I'm inclined to trust him more - would a wolf really go that far and risk that much? Moreover, it is now obvious what this is referring to:

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Innocent intended jokes or not, I still know some things Bom is not.

Seer and Hunter.

Edit: xed since my own again

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Although I am a bit curious as to why Boro didn't vote Glirdan.

I thought there was enough people around (as few as there indeed were) to not vote for Glirdan. I mean he had 2 votes and I didn't know how many people would vote for him.

You're right it would have been smarter to just vote Glirdan to save myself because even after my reveal wolf or not, no one would have added another vote to me. But I didn't particularly want to see Glirdan lynched yet again for no reason other than don't lynch me.

I don't know what was up with all that last minute voting though. Yes it was frantic, me included. I could have done better co-ordinating at the end, but really I mean everyone voted someone different? Thanks Shasta, you bought yourself a few good days of my grace before I have to seriously consider looking at you as a suspect.

Believe it or not, I'm still waiting to hear from Bom today before deciding whether I would have no question he's a wolf and lynch him, or if I let other stuff get in the way of better judgement. Gotta love revenge voting, it's not WW without 'em.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Sorry Glirdan. Not the best choice I could have made.

And Inzil deid? The immediate thing to take from this is suspicion of McCaber and Bom.

Eonwe and G55 seem likely innocents to me. Not sure, of course. Certain others look suspicious too; I'll try to go through it in more detail later.

[Eruhen]

As far as me being a submarine, that was due to RL reasons, unfortunately. Left mid-afternoon for what I thought would be a short shopping trip, and ended up not getting back till 20 minute before DL.

YesterDay turned out nuts, even by Day 1 standards, and there was no reason for someone to get lynched with two votes, even on Day 1! Fortunately, now that we have things to go on, toDay's already looking better.

I'm also rather disturbed that Inzilarond got killed, but some of what he said was looking Seer-ish (as others have already pointed out), so I can see where the wolves might have gotten paranoid.

I voted for Bom for a couple of reasons (which I'll enumerate in a bit), but the main one was trying to save Boro, because regardless of whether he's the Hunter or not, I was willing to give him a Night to work before lynching. Granted, I should have voted for Glirdy to save Boro, but my brain wasn't working too well then. Hauling a screaming toddler around for five hours kinda does that to you.

Oh, and by the way, Shasta, I'm a guy.

Now, research.

[Nerwen]

Back again. Sorry for not being around– I just wasn't able to get to a computer for most of the day.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Sorry Glirdan. Not the best choice I could have made.

And Inzil deid? The immediate thing to take from this is suspicion of McCaber and Bom.

This is true– through a frame can't be ruled out either. Still, I think it's pretty safe to assume that *if* the wolves in fact killed him for being "Seer-ish" it would have been because of his comments on one of those two.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Eonwe and G55 seem likely innocents to me. Not sure, of course.

Why, though? G55's last post looks quite bad to me, actually.

EDIT:X'd with Eruhen.

[Nerwen]

Anyone around?

[Eruhen]

Well, I was going to post an analysis of Bom and why I voted for him, but now that I look through his posting history, I'm not seeing anything that OOC (for Bom, at least ). So, it would appear that my vote yesterDay was a throw-away.

Not that it mattered, since it came after DL, but that's beside the point.

So, looks like I'm back where I started. I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

So, that makes G55, Foley, and... um... me. Hmmm. Didn't think that one through all that well. Back to the drawing board...

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

That's how the saying goes, as far as I know. Or, that one of the three first people is a wolf. But you shouldn't trust that - last game the first three people were innocents (I remember waiting on purpose before posting so that I won't be in the trio ).

About Bom: he does have his own way of posting that people are prone to pick on. Last game people jumped on innocent him for one post because of that style. He's an easy lynch target because of that. However, if he's a wolf, he's a dangerous one, as it's often hard to tell when he's really serious (if ever). So far, even ignoring his "jokes", he looks quite suspicious to me.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Eruhen

Well, I was going to post an analysis of Bom and why I voted for him, but now that I look through his posting history, I'm not seeing anything that OOC (for Bom, at least ). So, it would appear that my vote yesterDay was a throw-away. Not that it mattered, since it came after DL, but that's beside the point.

That... is a very strange way to look at it. I am myself puzzled by Bom's behaviour yesterDay, which doesn't really make sense for a wolf– but all the same, newbie wolves can do some weird things, and he was surely the single most suspicious-looking person yesterDay. I suppose you could say, based on his other two games, that it's not OOC for him to act suspicious– but that's not saying much, is it? Anyway, the real point is: did you have a reason for voting him, or didn't you? You almost seem to be saying both things here.

Originally Posted by Eruhen

So, looks like I'm back where I started. I remember Bom posting in the last WW thread that the first three people to post are the wolves.

So, that makes G55, Foley, and... um... me. Hmmm. Didn't think that one through all that well. Back to the drawing board...

Believe it or not, Eruhen, this is an actual piece of WW lore. Make of that what you will.

EDIT:X'd with G55.

[Eruhen]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

That... is a very strange way to look at it. I am myself puzzled by Bom's behaviour yesterDay, which doesn't really make sense for a wolf– but all the same, newbie wolves can do some weird things, and he was surely the single most suspicious-looking person yesterDay. I suppose you could say, based on his other two games, that it's not OOC for him to act suspicious– but that's not saying much, is it? Anyway, the real point is: did you have a reason for voting him, or didn't you? You almost seem to be saying both things here.

YesterDay, I was mainly using my vote to try to protect Boro. I should have voted for Glirdy, but I was frazzled after a long afternoon out with my 18-month-old daughter, Bom had ticked me off for some reason, and time was running out. So, I picked him.

But toDay, after looking through his posting history on this game and the other two he's been a part of, I see that most to all of what he posted yesterDay was in character for him. I'm holding off judgement for now and watching to see how things go.

So, short and sweet: I thought I had a reason yesterDay, but, on reflection, I'm not so sure anymore. He's still red-tinted on my list, but he's not in the red. Orange, maybe. Or maybe burnt sienna.