WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[wilwarin538]

K, that's what I figured you meant by it Nog, but initially upon reading it, it almost sounded like you were saying I would look bad if Lottie was innocent (and since you have seemed to trust me, I didn't get why you thought that). Makes sense now.

I don't think Fea is Shelob, mostly based on sort of meta-reasoning. She seems to have joined with Sally understanding that she couldn't be overly active, so I don't see Sally giving her such an important role (and she wasn't even part of the game right from the start). I think if she had that role she would be participating more, but right now she seems more like an ordo who's just having fun messing with us. Also, if she's a spiderling, she probably would have to had to have been one from the start, and since she wasn't technically playing from the start, that's unlikely. So yeah, she can't be a spiderling, and she's unlikely to be Shelob.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

So at this point my primary suspects remain Shasta and Nog, with Nerwen somewhere behind.

I'd be tempted to put Nog behind Nerwen, but I basically agree.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Nogrod, I do have to thank you for taking my question seriously and trying to make sense out of something I didn't get the chance to answer myself.

++Shastanis Althreduin

for being a submarine, his flimsy reasoning for sealing Lottie's fate yesterDay, and getting all defensive, like so:

Noggie, how's this for retaliatory?

I can't really fault the vote, though I'd like to see Shasta come back before I would follow suit.

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I don't think Fea is Shelob, mostly based on sort of meta-reasoning. She seems to have joined with Sally understanding that she couldn't be overly active, so I don't see Sally giving her such an important role (and she wasn't even part of the game right from the start). I think if she had that role she would be participating more, but right now she seems more like an ordo who's just having fun messing with us. Also, if she's a spiderling, she probably would have to had to have been one from the start, and since she wasn't technically playing from the start, that's unlikely. So yeah, she can't be a spiderling, and she's unlikely to be Shelob.

I see your points and they're valid, but I can't totally rule Fea out as Shelob. I will refrain from making her my focus, though.

[wilwarin538]

Uh, I wish I could have put more time into this today.

I actually think our best bet is Nog right now for Shelob. The reasons he went after Lottie yesterDay don't make a lot of sense to me. And out of the possibilities he seems the most likely to me to have attacked Phantom. And he's trusting me very easily, which I appreciate, but also makes me really uncomfortable.

I also see Lhuna as being unlikely as Shelob, and it's because her and I haven't played together very often/recently, and I know that sounds odd. Though she could have been the person stung from the beginning. Inzil and Nerwen have both sort of gone under my radar, but the thing that stands out about them to me is that neither of them seemed to clue in to who Phantom was yesterday, when seriously it was beyond obvious.

It's somewhat on gut, but from what I can see, Nog just seems most likely to be Shelob.

x'ed with Inzil

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I actually think our best bet is Nog right now for Shelob. The reasons he went after Lottie yesterDay don't make a lot of sense to me. And out of the possibilities he seems the most likely to me to have attacked Phantom. And he's trusting me very easily, which I appreciate, but also makes me really uncomfortable.

I also see Lhuna as being unlikely as Shelob, and it's because her and I haven't played together very often/recently, and I know that sounds odd. Though she could have been the person stung from the beginning.

I am trusting you wilwa because of what you say there in the quote (see the bolded part), which you said already back then. You were the only one to counter the idea that Lhuna was saved/healed by Sam. Having looked at your consequent actions from that perspective have made me more confident of it. tp's actions - and him turning out Frodo made it obvious. So that should be quite common knowledge right now.

Actually I think it would have been against the best interests of the baddies to try and bring trust to you forwards in the open as it would lessen - if not deny - their chances of lynching you. Shelob and spiderlings would stay quiet about you or try to get you lynched.

I do hope you had more to say than hunch or feel you seem to refer to with Lhuna, Fea and partly even me. It's very hard to me to follow your lead if you play it that way.

PS. What in the Lottie / tp affair you do not understand? It is perfectly clear. Even if tp disapproves if not everyone takes his every great idea as self evident truth, you could use your own mind as well as we need to catch baddies here. (Sorry, but I hear tp talking behind your words)

EDIT-ADD: heh, I just realised where your suspicion comes from... Oh my. So having brains and cababilities of inference makes you suspect of knowing things like only one would know. Blah. Well, then you guys are better off without me... or then please start playing.

[Nogrod]

Finlad leads against Russia 2-1!

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Actually I think it would have been against the best interests of the baddies to try and bring trust to you forwards in the open as it would lessen - if not deny - their chances of lynching you. Shelob and spiderlings would stay quiet about you or try to get you lynched.

I strongly disagree. It would be better to have everyone trust me, and then have me trust Shelob (therefore having everyone trust Shelob, and making her invincible). So I'm not trusting anyone, unless I have very very good reasons.

I do hope you had more to say than hunch or feel you seem to refer to with Lhuna, Fea and partly even me. It's very hard to me to follow your lead if you play it that way.

It's not hunch, I have reasons, but I have no choice but to label them as hunches since I can't share my reasons.

PS. What in the Lottie / tp affair you do not understand? It is perfectly clear. Even if tp disapproves if not everyone takes his every great idea as self evident truth, you could use your own mind as well as we need to catch baddies here. (Sorry, but I hear tp talking behind your words)

A situation that occurs often in this game that makes no sense to me: "Oh I suspect this person A, so I'm going to lynch this other person B, who A trusts, in order to shed more light on A, instead of just lynching A themselves". That's sort of rediculous. You guys lynched Lottie for the pure reason of finding out more about Phantom. Why not just lynch Phantom and find out quicker?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

A situation that occurs often in this game that makes no sense to me: "Oh I suspect this person A, so I'm going to lynch this other person B, who A trusts, in order to shed more light on A, instead of just lynching A themselves". That's sort of rediculous. You guys lynched Lottie for the pure reason of finding out more about Phantom. Why not just lynch Phantom and find out quicker?

JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I AND YOU SAID! That phantom could have been Frodo as well! Too much risk involved as giving you a chance to speak with him could be valuable. (If his advice to you is this... then we should have lynched him and his pride and have Lottie with us)

*frustration*


EDIT: X'd with wilwa.

Oh my. Well, your choice.

[satansaloser2005]

Calm, now, my children. Deep breaths. And cake. Obviously cake.

*snuggles everyone equally, except Phantom, because he didn't bring Voldy along the other day like he promised*

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Um, I'm pretty sure I never said Lottie didn't suspect Inzil. I'm saying there was no real chance of lynching Inzil yesterday, so it struck me as odd that Lottie would be so gung-ho about jumping on my random suspicion. It looked like she was agreeing with whatever I said. I don't really see a problem with my reasoning.

Also, Lhuna, doesn't calling me "defensive" remind you of a story about a pot and a kettle?

[wilwarin538]

Ok, my official guess: Nog as Shelob, Inzil and Nerwen as spiderlings.

All 3 of them yesterday wanted to lynch Lottie to shed light on Phantom's role. I still refuse to believe that people didn't see he was Frodo, everyone was aware that Frodo would be trying to hint to Sam, and everyone should know that Phantom wouldn't suddenly stop caring about a game, so Phantom acting defeatist, and Frodo knowing he's not going to last the Night and needing to hint to Sam, Phantom = Frodo. There was really no other good reason to go for Lottie, it was all about trying to find out more about Phantom. The baddies wouldn't want to lynch Phantom himself, because that would be a waste, they wanted the double kills.

Shasta was also voting Lottie for a similar reason, so I can see the possibility that he might be a spiderling, but I'm more inclined towards Nerwen and Inzil.

And I have to leave for work in 10 minutes. *sigh* This game is frustrating.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

I still refuse to believe that people didn't see he was Frodo, everyone was aware that Frodo would be trying to hint to Sam, and everyone should know that Phantom wouldn't suddenly stop caring about a game, so Phantom acting defeatist, and Frodo knowing he's not going to last the Night and needing to hint to Sam, Phantom = Frodo.

And you think a baddie phantom would not have been able to pull that kind of stunt off?

That was exactly my worry that he was Frodo! And I said that already...

phantom stopping caring about the game? Haven't you seen that trick been pulled off time after time and do you think he couldn't use it as a baddie or as Frodo (to call your attention, in both cases).

We didn't know which one he was yesterDay.

He was either Frodo or a baddie pulling a Frodo. That's why I wanted to check Lottie (whom he had defended without any argumented reason from early on).

[Nogrod]

Why do you wilwa think I asked you to chek his posts?

Because I thought you are Sam and tp is Frodo (depending on Lottie's role). If Lottie would have been a baddie then tp would have most probably been one as well and his Frodo.thing would have been a stunt.

How hard is that to understand?

X'd with wilwa & zil

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And you think a baddie phantom would not have been able to pull that kind of stunt off?

That was exactly my worry that he was Frodo! And I said that already...

phantom stopping caring about the game? Haven't you seen that trick been pulled off time after time and do you think he couldn't use it as a baddie or as Frodo (to call your attention, in both cases).

We didn't know which one he was yesterDay.

He was either Frodo or a baddie pulling a Frodo. That's why I wanted to check Lottie (whom he had defended without any argumented reason from early on).

No one else was acting at all like Frodo. There's no one in this game who doesn't know what they are doing, no one in this game as Frodo would just sit back and let Phantom fool Sam into choosing wrong. It was obvious, I'm sticking by that.

And now I really have to leave.

Please just all vote together everyone. If I'm wrong I'll take the full blame.

++Nogrod

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

No one else was acting at all like Frodo. There's no one in this game who doesn't know what they are doing, no one in this game as Frodo would just sit back and let Phantom fool Sam into choosing wrong. It was obvious, I'm sticking by that.

There is a strict rule on not revealing / false revealing. I think a few of us have already crossed that boundary.

Some people I hope and think stick to the rules.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There is a strict rule on not revealing / false revealing. I think a few of us have already crossed that boundary.

Some people I hope and think stick to the rules.

Leeeeettle bit, yeah, but I'm being benevolent about the degree of hints because we've had so many dropouts and the like. And because I love you all. And stuff.

Still. Let's all play nice and see what happens. After all, there was also a strict rule on not having shouting matches with other players (not that anyone has yet, but I don't want it to come to that, even on these, our last Days).

I have to make a phone call for work. Someone make sure there's entertainment when I get back. Thanks.

~~Sallycakes~~



EDIT: x'd with Shasticle <3

[Nogrod]

Of course Sally.

No problem. False alarm. Nothing bad happened.

I just get frustrated sometimes when people decide beforehand what they think and don't listen...

I do think we're still good friends wilwa and I even if we now disagree about some in-game facts.


*off to the ice hockey match - back later*

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by zee rulezzzz

If Frodo is attacked in the Night, the following happens:
1. Sam is notified at Dawn after Frodo is attacked, but is not told Frodo’s identity. Even if he finds Frodo by the end of the Day, he will not be able to save him. Instead, he is able to PM with Frodo during the Night (if he holds his guess until after Nightfall, he can PM for the remainder of the Night) where Frodo would normally turn into a spawn of Shelob. (Note: Frodo is not told the identity of Shelob, so he would not be able to give it to Sam.) At the end of that Night, Frodo dies.
2. If/When Sam finds Frodo’s body, he will strike out at Shelob’s lair. While he cannot kill Shelob on his own, he has the strength and anger to prevent Shelob from making an attack that Night. He will then spend his Evening with Frodo, and when Frodo dies Sam will spend the next Night in mourning/angst.
In game terms, this means that the Night after Frodo is attacked, both Sam and Shelob will be out of power, and the Night after that Sam will be unable to stop Shelob from attacking anyone.

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[satansaloser2005]

Votes!

Lhuna-->Shasta
Wilwa-->Nog

[satansaloser2005]

Lhuna-->Shasta
Wilwa-->Nog
Dun-->Nog (2)


Left to vote:
Shasta
Nog
Nerwen
Fea

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

Ok, my official guess: Nog as Shelob, Inzil and Nerwen as spiderlings.

All 3 of them yesterday wanted to lynch Lottie to shed light on Phantom's role. I still refuse to believe that people didn't see he was Frodo, everyone was aware that Frodo would be trying to hint to Sam, and everyone should know that Phantom wouldn't suddenly stop caring about a game, so Phantom acting defeatist, and Frodo knowing he's not going to last the Night and needing to hint to Sam, Phantom = Frodo. There was really no other good reason to go for Lottie, it was all about trying to find out more about Phantom. The baddies wouldn't want to lynch Phantom himself, because that would be a waste, they wanted the double kills.

Difficult as it may seem to believe, not everyone is always on board with tp's schemes. I never know when to trust him, and I've learned not to take all that he says at face value.

Also, like Shasta, you seem to ignore the fact that I wanted to lynch Lottie starting around Day 2. Shedding light on tp was an afterthought.

x/d with Nog and Wilwa