WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread)

[wilwarin538]

Alright, I should be around far more toDay, but will still have to vote a bit early.

Looking at the narration it sounds to me like there is only one spiderling. The whole "you're not alone thing" sounds more like "she's not alone because she has Shelob with her", not "she's not alone cause there's another spiderling". And the "go back and play with the others" thing sounds like she's supposed to go and play with us (the villagers) not with other spiderlings.

And yeah, looks like Frodo was bitten. Here's what the admin thread says so that we're all on the same page:

Originally Posted by Mrs Sallycakes

If Frodo is attacked in the Night, the following happens:
1. Sam is notified at Dawn after Frodo is attacked, but is not told Frodo’s identity. Even if he finds Frodo by the end of the Day, he will not be able to save him. Instead, he is able to PM with Frodo during the Night (if he holds his guess until after Nightfall, he can PM for the remainder of the Night) where Frodo would normally turn into a spawn of Shelob. (Note: Frodo is not told the identity of Shelob, so he would not be able to give it to Sam.) At the end of that Night, Frodo dies.
2. If/When Sam finds Frodo’s body, he will strike out at Shelob’s lair. While he cannot kill Shelob on his own, he has the strength and anger to prevent Shelob from making an attack that Night. He will then spend his Evening with Frodo, and when Frodo dies Sam will spend the next Night in mourning/angst.
In game terms, this means that the Night after Frodo is attacked, both Sam and Shelob will be out of power, and the Night after that Sam will be unable to stop Shelob from attacking anyone.

If Frodo is lynched, Sam will lose his powers for that Night, regardless of whether Frodo has been stung. Shelob will suffer no ill effects.

So lots of pressure on Sam to guess correctly.

I'll be back in a bit. Wanna see what happens with Kate and Castle.

[wilwarin538]

*crickets chirping*

Where is everybody?

I'm off to bed, I'll be back in the morning.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Wilwa

So lots of pressure on Sam to guess correctly.

Yep. Whole game lies with Sammy. If we lose, it's all his fault. And I will rant and rave about how useless he is. And Voldy will curse him for his poor choice.

[the phantom]

Just fyi I'm still against lynching Phantom, Wilwa, Lottie, and Lhuna.

Shasta and Nerwen give us little to go on. Fea gives us Moddess-demanded weirdness and randomness to go on.

So that leaves Inzil and Nog as the two I'd like to see everyone examine- me included. I may not be able to get to it tonight, but I'm going to give both of them a serious look.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

*crickets chirping*

Where is everybody?

I can't speak for everyone else, but my wife's had the computer for the last few hours feeding her The Sims 3 addiction. And now it's time for bed

Originally Posted by the phantom

So that leaves Inzil and Nog as the two I'd like to see everyone examine- me included. I may not be able to get to it tonight, but I'm going to give both of them a serious look.

I welcome it. For my lynch choice, I'm not sure right now who I'd go for if no one's on board with me for a Lottie lynch.

I do wonder about Nog myself. Was a tie yesterDay in the best interest of the spiders? I wouldn't think so. Yet Nog voted for Lhuna when he could have easily stuck another nail in my coffin.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

I do wonder about Nog myself. Was a tie yesterDay in the best interest of the spiders? I wouldn't think so. Yet Nog voted for Lhuna when he could have easily stuck another nail in my coffin.

You know, the reasoning only really works if you switch it around. Nog could not have known that tp would vote for you. "Sticking another nail in your coffin" would have brought the tally up to a tie. The only way for Nog to prevent a tie (and thus ensure a death) would be to vote someone who hadn't been voted before or to vote me, the frontrunner at the time. Your argument falls apart because Nog didn't know it would be a tie - tp's vote not only fell last, but it fell thirty seconds after DL.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

You know, the reasoning only really works if you switch it around. Nog could not have known that tp would vote for you. "Sticking another nail in your coffin" would have brought the tally up to a tie. The only way for Nog to prevent a tie (and thus ensure a death) would be to vote someone who hadn't been voted before or to vote me, the frontrunner at the time. Your argument falls apart because Nog didn't know it would be a tie - tp's vote not only fell last, but it fell thirty seconds after DL.

However, tp had repeatedly said he would not vote for you, hadn't he? What I'm saying is that instead of voting for me, a lynch possibility,he went for someone who had no votes at the time, and someone who tp had also said he would not vote for.

[Lhunardawen]

My brain hasn't shaken off sleep sufficiently to make any sense out of sally's narration, but I thought I'd just get this out of the way.

Nogrod, I goofed typing Doctor instead of Sam. I overlooked it, in the same manner that you overlooked it too and didn't notice it until much later. (I wouldn't have noticed my mistake if you didn't point it out.)

Now I'm saying this because it appears to me that the whole reasoning for your vote against me yesterDay was hinged on that mistake (and is on my list of things to try to make sense out of toDay). And that was after you've practically decided not to consider me for lynching. I've seen this Nogrod before, the one with crazy theories based on flimsy reasoning popping up out of the blue, and he was never up to any good. For that, I'm going to look at you extra closely toDay.


But I do want to see what happens to Kate and Castle, too.

[the phantom]

Tired...... Talk *yawn* later....

*falls down*

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Lhuna

My brain hasn't shaken off sleep sufficiently to make any sense out of sally's narration,

Frodo's definitely been bitten, but I think the rest is just colour.

(You know, by an interesting co-incidence, a diminutive, (very) curly-haired relative of mine was recently bitten by a spider. Made him quite unwell, too. Spooky, no? )

Originally Posted by the phantom

The biggest problem with Nerwen and Lhuna claiming I was trying to draw out Sam is that it made no sense at all given that Shelob already knows who Sam is after Night 2.

There was no hint of this in the narration, so either you do *ahem* know something, or it's just a guess. Now you say it's the latter, and that you're basing it on something "Sam" said– but that too ought to be a guess. Either way you can't expect everyone else to reach the same conclusion.

Originally Posted by the phantom

Or if you wish to make the argument that Shelob didn't attack Sam Night 2, but instead was stopped by a Sam protection, the argument still makes no sense as no one at any point was suggesting Sam admit who his protection was, but rather his cure target.

Phantom, I can't speak for Lhuna, but for my part I was thinking like this: gifteds don't have to give themselves away completely– it can be enough that their manner isn't quite "right" when talking about their role. Or that they're forced to single themselves out in some way– what if everyone except Sam said, "yeah, sure, I'd have cured Lhuna"? This is pretty basic stuff, phantom.

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

My brain hasn't shaken off sleep sufficiently to make any sense out of sally's narration, but I thought I'd just get this out of the way.

Nogrod, I goofed typing Doctor instead of Sam. I overlooked it, in the same manner that you overlooked it too and didn't notice it until much later. (I wouldn't have noticed my mistake if you didn't point it out.)

Now I'm saying this because it appears to me that the whole reasoning for your vote against me yesterDay was hinged on that mistake (and is on my list of things to try to make sense out of toDay). And that was after you've practically decided not to consider me for lynching. I've seen this Nogrod before, the one with crazy theories based on flimsy reasoning popping up out of the blue, and he was never up to any good. For that, I'm going to look at you extra closely toDay.

I might too– that did look like a bit of a reach.