WW LXXXVIII: What Lies in the Dark (Game Thread) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the phantom · 05-07-2011, 02:20 PM

All right, so, information important to which way I will be inclined to vote today.

In looking back I think I should've placed Bom on the potential Shelob list, but I consider him one of the least likely of the ones I can't rule out yet. So yeah, not voting for him.

And as you know not voting for Phantom, Wilwa, or Lottie.

Nog and Shasta- they haven't done anything to make me want to vote for them, so they're unlikely at this stage.

Fea is not Shelob, and is almost certainly not a Spiderling (but techinically can't cross her off yet). I'm not voting for her.

Nerwen is a possible compromise for me, primarily because I can't rule her out and she voted for me. Not strong reasoning at all, but there it is. I'd vote for her to save someone I like, but I wouldn't form a bandwagon against her.

Lhuna cannot be a Spiderling, but may be Shelob, and I'd really like to do my thorough cross-examination of her tomorrow, so I'd prefer to give her a pass for one more day. Like I said before, I'd rather take out Shelob Day 3 than Day 2.

Boro is looking... bleh... by simple elimination he appears to be the best candidate, as well as the possible suspicious behaviors I pointed to.

the phantom · 05-07-2011, 02:23 PM

What? Why the Lottie vote? Given the dynamics I created and the failure to sting last night she's about the least likely evil-doer here.

Evidently you didn't read enough of those threads to have a Phantogasm, Bom.

Lhunardawen · 05-07-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Lhuna cannot be a Spiderling, but may be Shelob, and I'd really like to do my thorough cross-examination of her tomorrow, so I'd prefer to give her a pass for one more day.

Can't wait.

++Bom Tombadillo

Still my best Shelob guess at this point.

Loslote · 05-07-2011, 02:31 PM

++Zil

I don't want to cut it too close, and he's the one person whose guilt I'm closest to being sure of.

Inziladun · 05-07-2011, 02:49 PM

Hmm. Let's see. Who do I not want to go for?

I guess tp gets a pass, though I still don't trust him totally.

Wilwa seems fairly sensible and innocent, though I tend to have hard time reading her.

Lottie, for now anyway.

I could possibly go for Boro again, since I'm not sure about Nog, and knowing something about Boro could help in that. Also, Boro himself is supported by Lottie, and I could possibly get a better idea about her too.

Then again, Bom's vote looked pretty easy, as Lottie isn't exactly at high risk for a lynch at the moment. He said in his vote-post that she, Wilwa, and tp were "making him suspicious". In the same post , he discounted Wilwa because she "hasn't done anything interesting yet". Yet, here he said Wilwa was suspicious because of her involvement in the Glirdy-wagon. No explanation from one to the other why Wilwa was no longer a consideration, and Lottie still was.

To think....

x/d with all since # 232

Nogrod · 05-07-2011, 02:53 PM

Boro. Have you lost your marbles for good?

If we should think someone is innocent that would be Lhuna as Sam most probably tried to heal her?

Also Bom's last was an odd one, like an insecure baddie trying to make a ast minute save which actually just makes her look worse - or is it just confusion?

wilwarin538 · 05-07-2011, 02:55 PM

Nog, even if Sam protected Lhuna, she may not have been the target! Sam could easily have protected Lhuna, who is actually Shelob, and then Shelob attacked Sam. There is no reason to think Lhuna is definitely innocent.

edit: though I don't see her as necessarily being evil either. I have no idea.

the phantom · 05-07-2011, 02:57 PM

Seriously, short on time here. Out of time for producing points, as they will not have time to be read and considered.

Nogrod · 05-07-2011, 02:58 PM

Wilwa: I do not say lhuna is definitively innocent, but she's the best we have for a non-baddie (i mean anyone could be Shelob).

And Boro voting her is odd indeed in regards to that.

wilwarin538 · 05-07-2011, 02:58 PM

Alright, I don't want to get another name on the list.

I won't vote Lottie, cause I'm inclined to trust her. I don't want to vote phantom. I have no opinion on Zil or Bom. And Lhuna is a total enigma to me. So I have no idea.

Nogrod · 05-07-2011, 02:35 PM

Finland won and went to the play-offs...

And a slight comment on my last one. I think Lhuna and Lottie are not spiderlings.

And I would add that I think Fea is not Shelob (as said before).

So who then?

the phantom · 05-07-2011, 02:41 PM

Psh.... Fea just swooped in and stated Boro was probably evil and expressed an interest in voting for him, but then voted for me despite promising earlier today that she wouldn't.

Only problem is, it actually weakens my Boro argument slightly, as when she made her second to last post I was wondering if perhaps she was the Healer and was hinting she had examined Boro and discovered he had been stung.

But now that it appears that it wasn't the case (obviously, otherwise she would've voted him), I see nothing wrong with voting for her instead on grounds that she's given us almost nothing to this point other than randomness. So add her to my list of compromise candidates.

the phantom · 05-07-2011, 02:42 PM

Btw, if anyone else votes for me, you had better be Shelob or Spiderling- otherwise there is no excuse.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 05-07-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

then voted for me despite promising earlier today that she wouldn't.

I lied.

Boromir88 · 05-07-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nogrod

And a slight comment on my last one. I think Lhuna and Lottie are not spiderlings.

I agree with you about Lottie. Not Lhuna though, so if having to decide between them I'd vote Lhuna.

This would leave Inzil and Bom as other possiblities it seems. After the vote I need more time on Bom. So, I'd prefer Inzil there, but still not willing to pass off on Lhuna and make another shot in the dark...

++Lhuna

Boromir88 · 05-07-2011, 02:46 PM

And before I forget, one more thing.

Wilwa is also a beautiful woman, probably.

wilwarin538 · 05-07-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

Wilwa is also a beautiful woman, probably.

Not probably. Definitely.

I don't think phantom is a good choice everyone, but I'm not really sure who is. Gah, I hate last minute voting.

satansaloser2005 · 05-08-2011, 04:37 PM

SHENANIGANS!

I haven't seen a youtube video in Days. Harrumph.

Loslote · 05-08-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

SHENANIGANS!

I haven't seen a youtube video in Days. Harrumph.

Alright, alright!

But in all seriousness, we have what? Shelob and two Spiderlings now? Or just the one Spiderling still?

Bom Tombadillo · 05-07-2011, 02:45 PM

I haven't had a chance to read any of them yet, tp.

Lhuna - as I have said, when I first came out of the gate I was sort of using the phantom as a crutch. I'm making an effort to stop that, both to save my neck (and his, to an extent; though he's made me suspicious, the very reason I'm voting Lottie and not him is because, as I've said, he could be a major asset if innocent.) and because of my suspicions of him.

Nogrod · 05-07-2011, 02:47 PM

Nerwen-> tp
Bom -> Lottie
Lhuna -> Bom
Lottie -> Zil
Fea -> tp 2

So?

I might be inclined towards Bom as s7he has been mostly careful not to suspec t too many people or to be too open with her/his thoughts about people, but also on his (her) suspicions on me have been basically forged or untrue. That is more like a mark of a spiderling than of Shelob, but we'd do good to get rid of one spiderling as well.

Also I'm a bit weary about Shasta for the same reason (although I could think of him as Shelob as well), but as he has been soo quiet it's hard to say anything definitive about him. A question: who would like to be playing in a subdued mode as to make people make their decisions this way when they weigh a few candidates ("yeah, I don't really have such a feel on him as he has posted so little / left so little mark of him"). Perfect Shelobbery...

Humm...

wilwarin538 · 05-07-2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Inziladun

If Sam had stopped the original spiderling from changing all the way, doesn't that mean someone else would have been stung last Night?

No. I don't think people are understanding how this worked.

Night 1 someone on a list of people (handed in by Shelob) was chosen to be stung.

Day 1 Sam had an oppurtunity to heal that person.

Night 2 if Sam had been unsuccessful that person would have turned completely, if he had been successful then that person would have been returned to being just an innocent. That Night Sam also got another choice to protect another person from being stung. He was either successful, or he was the one who was stung (I'm pretty sure it's the second one).

Since Sally hasn't said anything about a Spawn existing, I think Sam was successful in his choice on Day 1, and by the way Boro is talking I think he is that person. I know that if I was Sam, Boro would have been an option for me on who to try and heal Day 1, cause a lot of people probably would have put him on their list to be on their team if they were Shelob. So I think Sam healed him Day 1, and then Night 2 Shelob chose Sam and was unsuccessful, which would mean we still only have Shelob. But I'm not really sure about the whole Boro thing, since Sally hasn't really clarified whether Shelob has a spawn or not.

05-07-2011, 02:20 PM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	All right, so, information important to which way I will be inclined to vote today. In looking back I think I should've placed Bom on the potential Shelob list, but I consider him one of the least likely of the ones I can't rule out yet. So yeah, not voting for him. And as you know not voting for Phantom, Wilwa, or Lottie. Nog and Shasta- they haven't done anything to make me want to vote for them, so they're unlikely at this stage. Fea is not Shelob, and is almost certainly not a Spiderling (but techinically can't cross her off yet). I'm not voting for her. Nerwen is a possible compromise for me, primarily because I can't rule her out and she voted for me. Not strong reasoning at all, but there it is. I'd vote for her to save someone I like, but I wouldn't form a bandwagon against her. Lhuna cannot be a Spiderling, but may be Shelob, and I'd really like to do my thorough cross-examination of her tomorrow, so I'd prefer to give her a pass for one more day. Like I said before, I'd rather take out Shelob Day 3 than Day 2. Boro is looking... bleh... by simple elimination he appears to be the best candidate, as well as the possible suspicious behaviors I pointed to. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-07-2011, 02:23 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	What? Why the Lottie vote? Given the dynamics I created and the failure to sting last night she's about the least likely evil-doer here. Evidently you didn't read enough of those threads to have a Phantogasm, Bom. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-07-2011, 02:31 PM	#4
Loslote The Werewolf's Companion Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Moon Posts: 3,021	++Zil I don't want to cut it too close, and he's the one person whose guilt I'm closest to being sure of. __________________ I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the night. Double Fenris

05-07-2011, 02:49 PM	#5
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,039	Hmm. Let's see. Who do I not want to go for? I guess tp gets a pass, though I still don't trust him totally. Wilwa seems fairly sensible and innocent, though I tend to have hard time reading her. Lottie, for now anyway. I could possibly go for Boro again, since I'm not sure about Nog, and knowing something about Boro could help in that. Also, Boro himself is supported by Lottie, and I could possibly get a better idea about her too. Then again, Bom's vote looked pretty easy, as Lottie isn't exactly at high risk for a lynch at the moment. He said in his vote-post that she, Wilwa, and tp were "making him suspicious". In the same post , he discounted Wilwa because she "hasn't done anything interesting yet". Yet, here he said Wilwa was suspicious because of her involvement in the Glirdy-wagon. No explanation from one to the other why Wilwa was no longer a consideration, and Lottie still was. To think.... x/d with all since # 232 __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

05-07-2011, 02:53 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Boro. Have you lost your marbles for good? If we should think someone is innocent that would be Lhuna as Sam most probably tried to heal her? Also Bom's last was an odd one, like an insecure baddie trying to make a ast minute save which actually just makes her look worse - or is it just confusion? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-07-2011, 02:55 PM	#7
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	Nog, even if Sam protected Lhuna, she may not have been the target! Sam could easily have protected Lhuna, who is actually Shelob, and then Shelob attacked Sam. There is no reason to think Lhuna is definitely innocent. edit: though I don't see her as necessarily being evil either. I have no idea. __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

05-07-2011, 02:57 PM	#8
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Seriously, short on time here. Out of time for producing points, as they will not have time to be read and considered. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-07-2011, 02:58 PM	#9
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Wilwa: I do not say lhuna is definitively innocent, but she's the best we have for a non-baddie (i mean anyone could be Shelob). And Boro voting her is odd indeed in regards to that. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-07-2011, 02:35 PM	#11
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Finland won and went to the play-offs... And a slight comment on my last one. I think Lhuna and Lottie are not spiderlings. And I would add that I think Fea is not Shelob (as said before). So who then? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

05-07-2011, 02:41 PM	#12
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Psh.... Fea just swooped in and stated Boro was probably evil and expressed an interest in voting for him, but then voted for me despite promising earlier today that she wouldn't. Only problem is, it actually weakens my Boro argument slightly, as when she made her second to last post I was wondering if perhaps she was the Healer and was hinting she had examined Boro and discovered he had been stung. But now that it appears that it wasn't the case (obviously, otherwise she would've voted him), I see nothing wrong with voting for her instead on grounds that she's given us almost nothing to this point other than randomness. So add her to my list of compromise candidates. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-07-2011, 02:42 PM	#13
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Btw, if anyone else votes for me, you had better be Shelob or Spiderling- otherwise there is no excuse. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

05-07-2011, 02:46 PM	#16
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	And before I forget, one more thing. Wilwa is also a beautiful woman, probably. __________________ Fenris Penguin

05-08-2011, 04:37 PM	#18
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Also.... SHENANIGANS! I haven't seen a youtube video in Days. Harrumph. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

05-07-2011, 02:45 PM	#20
Bom Tombadillo Wight Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Behind you . . . . BOO! Posts: 222	I haven't had a chance to read any of them yet, tp. Lhuna - as I have said, when I first came out of the gate I was sort of using the phantom as a crutch. I'm making an effort to stop that, both to save my neck (and his, to an extent; though he's made me suspicious, the very reason I'm voting Lottie and not him is because, as I've said, he could be a major asset if innocent.) and because of my suspicions of him. __________________ Every human should have a cat or two in their care, to teach them the meaning of the word, and to correct them. Phenris Dorph

05-07-2011, 02:47 PM	#21
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Nerwen-> tp Bom -> Lottie Lhuna -> Bom Lottie -> Zil Fea -> tp 2 So? I might be inclined towards Bom as s7he has been mostly careful not to suspec t too many people or to be too open with her/his thoughts about people, but also on his (her) suspicions on me have been basically forged or untrue. That is more like a mark of a spiderling than of Shelob, but we'd do good to get rid of one spiderling as well. Also I'm a bit weary about Shasta for the same reason (although I could think of him as Shelob as well), but as he has been soo quiet it's hard to say anything definitive about him. A question: who would like to be playing in a subdued mode as to make people make their decisions this way when they weigh a few candidates ("yeah, I don't really have such a feel on him as he has posted so little / left so little mark of him"). Perfect Shelobbery... Humm... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...