Mandos Thread: DEAD ONLY! - WW LXXXVI

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by phantom

If it helps, my last defense of Boro (here), while accurate, is only part of the point. The other pressing point is contained within the first paragraph, with special emphasis on the final sentence.

He's quoting this:

Originally Posted by phantom

Ah, a Boro vote, and a Daughter reveal, eh? Things are really starting now. Taking sides and whatnot... I do believe I'll give it some time before addressing all angles of this. But for now, since Boro got a vote, I will say that there is an important aspect of Boro's behavior we should not ignore, which would be his desire to kill me.

Makes it sound like he's hinting that he's the Seer, and that he's dreamed of Boro, who's the Hunter. And that while Boro is innocent, he's all misguided and whatnot.

Obviously, being innocent, I'd like to see the good guys pull off a sweeping victory. But regardless of my role, this is amusingly fascinating to watch...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Makes it sound like he's hinting that he's the Seer, and that he's dreamed of Boro, who's the Hunter. And that while Boro is innocent, he's all misguided and whatnot.

Obviously, being innocent, I'd like to see the good guys pull off a sweeping victory. But regardless of my role, this is amusingly fascinating to watch...

Yeah, it does. Too bad for him Boro said he won't be back today (at least that's how I interpreted it).

Either he's actually the seer, or he's trying to make Angu protect him so the wolves (Boro probably being one in this scenario) can kill him without trouble.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yeah, it does. Too bad for him Boro said he won't be back today (at least that's how I interpreted it).

He won't be back until tomorrow evening. I know what he's doing, and it doesn't involve internet access.

Either he's actually the seer, or he's trying to make Angu protect him so the wolves (Boro probably being one in this scenario) can kill him without trouble.

Yep. Glad I don't have to do anything about it but watch.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Angu

OK Boro and phantom, I think we're quite close to being able to three musketeer this thing out

Huh. Scary. Especially if I didn't know he was Glorfy... but even now, given that we don't know what phantom is up to.

(See Nog, I don't trust him either if it's of any comfort. )

If Angu is gunning for Greenie, I'm even more tempted to give the extra vote to him.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Given that Ang is the only living person I trust right now... I think I'm fine with the vote going to him. What does that tell the living, though?

[Aganzir]

That Nessa was not a wolf.

But if you're feeling well enough to hang here till the deadline, that would be super. I have a feeling phantom might just be leading Angu by the nose to vote for someone he shouldn't...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Huh. Scary. Especially if I didn't know he was Glorfy... but even now, given that we don't know what phantom is up to.

(See Nog, I don't trust him either if it's of any comfort. )

Uh-oh.

See this as well - as he is clearly addressing the phantom all the time...

Among these either two or three are gulity:

Nerwen
A Little Green
sally

So the final instructions for tp / correcting him on Greenie?

I don't like it at all. Check my early post on Anguirel toDay and think of what I said in there. And him calling the hunter out after that. Please. It might be the key to this?

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Uh-oh.

See this as well - as he is clearly addressing the phantom all the time... So the final instructions for tp / correcting him on Greenie?

I was actually thinking about phantom when saying 'I don't trust him' (yeah I'm being unclear, sorry!)... But it's still weird an innocent should ask the hunter to reveal, although what I said about getting known innocents stands.

I think Angu's quote meant more like 'Good ol' boy, I know you're the seer and have dreamed of Boro, let's win this now!'

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think Angu's quote meant more like 'Good ol' boy, I know you're the seer and have dreamed of Boro, let's win this now!'

Hmm... that is a possibility. Although it's hard for me to see anyone looking at tp as the seer... and taking in al the other things Ang has done I must say I'm leaning towards the interpretation I made in my previous post.

[Nogrod]

Explain this exchange to me in other terms than Ang being a wolf with Boro:

Originally Posted by Ang

it's kind of late, what can I say. I'm sure the wolves know what you're into

You seem to want to scrutinise Boro, probs to the point of death, without exactly saying as much. Could you do me a favour and put that plan on hold? I want to lynch somebody really helpful and pleasant instead.

Answered by tp:

Originally Posted by tp

No, no- I don't want to kill Boro! That's probably the worst tactical move we could possibly make.

Agreement reached?

[Nogrod]

If someone held a revolver on my forehead and demanded for a take on the wolves I'd probably say Ang, Boro and Nerwen... (or Elra swopping places with Nerwen as Ang did protect Elron quite boldly earlier).

Well, Ang and Boro anyway? This just looks too much like
a) trying to out the gifteds (and then revealing as one)
b) hinting to the phantom quite openly (different strategies though, but Boro had to leave early - thus the correcting moves by Ang and all the questioning by tp).

Just check this:

I'm sorry if I'm being unByzantine here, phantom. I'm alright at lying, and I absolutely love the strategy of actively second guessing nocturnal amusement, but I am useless at cryptography. Actually had to take an exam in it a few months back. Worst candidate they'd had for years

What else is this but trying to tell the phantom that "I'm now straight-talking to you"? No veils, no foolery: "come with us on this and we'll win..." See even the first bolded part. It is a straight call to the phantom and the phantom only. "I'm addressing you here..."

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Just check this: What else is this but trying to tell the phantom that "I'm now straight-talking to you"? No veils, no foolery: "come with us on this and we'll win..." See even the first bolded part. It is a straight call to the phantom and the phantom only. "I'm addressing you here..."

Or 'Hey seer, what are you trying to suggest?' If Ang, Boro & Nerwen are the wolves, your point about Angu trying to hint at the phantom about the wolves' identity is invalid.

I'm not sure I like Nog sowing doubt about the gifteds... Because yes I still trust Angu, and ed.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Nog

If someone held a revolver on my forehead and demanded for a take on the wolves I'd probably say Ang, Boro and Nerwen... (or Elra swopping places with Nerwen as Ang did protect Elron quite boldly earlier).

The thing is, I've spent literally the entire game trusting Ang and Boro. And if I'm that intensely wrong, it'll be the first time I've misread either of them that problematically. I mean, I've never been wrong about either of them. So I'm inclined to keep trusting them. It's not like it's to my detriment to be mistaken... I'm already dead.

[Aganzir]

Boro - phantom
Glirdan - Boro
Green - sally

Left: Angu, Nerwen, phantom, ed, sally

If both Boro, Glirdan and Greenie are innocent, the wolves have almost certainly won. They and the cobbler(s) can just jump on one of the bandwagons. Maybe orchestrate a double-lynch or something.