Mandos Thread: DEAD ONLY! - WW LXXXVI

[Thinlómien]

Here and catching up. Seems like reading the dead thread has given me enough headache, next I should read the living thread...

A few thoughts:
- good that we're one (more?) cobbler down and he won't even be able to mess stuff up here
- I admit my ignorance might be because I haven't read everything that's been said 100% carefully, but I can't see how my one vote was so disastrous yesterDay
- I doubt a cobbler/wolf would reveal as Glorfy at this point so I trust Ang unless he's said something totally silly (shall see soon)
- hi Mith hope you don't mind I say I hope you're a cobbler like I suspected
- we should definitely not vote to steer the lynch in a way that conveys false messages! the living trust us, and if we tell them that I was a wolf and they start looking for connections that don't exist toMorrow that might doom them for the whole game
- believe it or not, my to believe or not to believe debate has actually led me to almost belive Nog's claim. If he's not the seer, where is she?!

Now off to read the rants of the living.

[Mithalwen]

Nope I am not a cobbler. I genuinely thought you were a wolf.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I am inclined to believe Elrond's daughter too. That vote last night. Contrary to all evidence there can't be so many cobblers and it makes sense she wouldn't be so bothered about staying alive at this point,

[Thinlómien]

Gah this game is really seriously headache-y. Anyway, I shall be here soon again but now I have to let Greenie post and go to sleep (sharing the computer tonight).

Seriously though, I have no idea who are the wolves and which gifted claims to believe but I guess it's not so much my problem given I'm here and they are (mostly) there.

[Mithalwen]

I do trust Ang - admittedly if he were a wolf he would probably want me dead for historical reasons and wouldn't hesitate but I think his playing is consistent with being a ranger. He mention Draugluin early on which was the ranger role I played in the game he modded. And it is almost certain I was protected before I was killed and that made it more likely Ang was the ranger. I think I would be a higher priority for him than the others.

[Nogrod]

Mith: I did actually ask this already earlier, but would you give your two cents on this: what was the general mood back there (you're the last one coming from there)? Could they really believe we have gotten one wolf already? And as I said already back then: that might help us think about Ang and therefore help us understand the situation.

[Aganzir]

I think it's interesting that the two people who drove Lommy to the gallows in the end were Legate of Amon Shoe and Green. They brought up the cobbler points against her and suddenly everyone else was suspicious of her too...

Also, what do you think of sally's case against Angu in light of what has happened lately? Is it too strong to be wolfish?

I think our wolves are among these people:
A Little Green
Nerwen
satansaloser2005
Boromir88

And here are our extra vote options, again:
A Little Green
Nerwen
the phantom
Anguirel

The only one I trust is Angu but we'll have to see...

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Mith: I did actually ask this already earlier, but would you give your two cents on this: what was the general mood back there (you're the last one coming from there)? Could they really believe we have gotten one wolf already? And as I said already back then: that might help us think about Ang and therefore help us understand the situation.

It isn't a real place. I can only go on what is posted as we can here. I have said what I think about Ang. I have no reason to doubt him.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

- we should definitely not vote to steer the lynch in a way that conveys false messages! the living trust us, and if we tell them that I was a wolf and they start looking for connections that don't exist toMorrow that might doom them for the whole game

If it wasn't so urgent, I might be up for it - we'll probably get Angu to visit us shortly and he could then correct the village when going back. Plus it might yield interesting reactions. But yeah we probably can't afford it right now. Grr I don't like this.

- believe it or not, my to believe or not to believe debate has actually led me to almost belive Nog's claim. If he's not the seer, where is she?!

You have a point... (And yes Nog, I have read each and every one of your posts where you've asked the same.) But I just can't see Nog as innocent.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If you'd have rread these you wouldn't be asking.

Okay I confess. I never read anything you say, and I peeked into the dead thread when I was still alive. (I also quoted my PMs and intentionally switched off invisible mode.)

[Nogrod]

Okay Agan, let's not start again this. And I think you can't afford that scorn anyway.

You try to give the impression you are reading all I have posted and even after that have no reason to believe me. Heh. How can you then say this:

Originally Posted by Agan

Forgive me if I overlooked your posts even though they shine so nicely with shoe-polish, but I failed to see you say anything about dropping the message sending plan.

How about these?

Originally Posted by me

So the baddies would love to tie our hands here to that more or less insignificant enterprise of sending them messages there. Remember, the wolves know both Lommy and Nessa are innocents. So with strictly following that rule of sending them messages, all the innocent villagers have gained when D6 dawns is that on D3 there were two innocents facing the gallows and everyone agreed to lynch them, baddies and innocents alike.

What a waste! And not especially helpful to the innocents.

We, on the contrary know that already (you'll know about Nessa when the Day begins). We have the knowledge and should start thinking how to best use our extra-votes.

.....

So if things go as they plan - which sadly seems more likely than not - they can overpower the village quite fast, in two Days. And reducing us to a message-senders the baddies make sure we don't try to get involved any other way in there during these critical two Days ahead. Thus letting them reign supreme there.

Originally Posted by me

We the dead should try and come up with the most accurate view of the situation there among the living as possible aka. who are the wolves and how they try to play it out as they need only two innocents dead?

The living should pull their act together and get at least one wolf on top of the lynching list (first or second most votes but not more than one vote's difference if second) - then we could try to help near the DL by giving the extravote to lynch the suspected baddie.

That should be the top priority - and the only thing that would immediately affect the game giving us more time. Otherwise we need to just pray for a hunter-kill. Sadly neither is totally under our own control: if the goodies don't give us a probable wolf for us to vote with a consequence (one added vote being enough), then no can do; if the wolves don't kill the hunter / s/he is not lynched, then no can do.

Okay. I'll cut it with that.

Just one last remark on the subject:

Originally Posted by Agan

But I'm so so sorry for you if you're actually the seer...

Which you clearly don't mean... I'm okay with that though. But you shouldn't be sorry just for me, but for yourself and all the other innocents who are threathened because you don't even try to look at things from a different (=truthful) POV.

I mean if you really read and thought of what I said and then said it's bad thinking and won't help us - pointing to the flaws etc., I'd be happy to stand corected and try harder to find the truth. But the fact that you wouldn't even consider, that you say there is no argument to make you change your mind, makes this all quite futile for me.


How about you fex. thought about my theory of the wolves and gave it a good scrutiny? Or came up with a better theory?

We need to have a general picture anyway if we wish to help the innocents in the end of the Day.

Messages or not... there probably will not be a next Day if we fail toDay.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Here and reading, with a question - did I miss something, Nog, that you're so sure BG was innocent? Is there any reason she couldn't be a wolf (and her wolf role given to a cobbler)?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

PS, in case it wasn't clear, all of that phantom stuff adds up to insinuate that Elron is a lying liar who lies a lot.