Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Boromir88]

This morning, I was having the same problems as Ang. The BD was temporarily not loading.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Glad as I am that I have said something sensible for once, it does occur that we could totally eliminate any wolf anticipation by just stating the criteria for the day depending on who we have left - There are lots of ways of doing it someone with numbers in name, one word name.... but for today odds and evens is just fine. Of course we don't have to vary the system at all but if pointing out we could stymies a wolftrick

Well, I think the odds and evens is simple and can't be affected by the lynches. The only way it gets screwed up is if the baddies hijack the dead thread. But as long as the dead know what we want them to do, and there's a trail, Agan's plan will continue to work.

Which is why I brought up yesterday, if the dead went with Agan's plan than Nessa went unchecked, for the plan to continue being of use, we're going to have to tell the dead to either check the Nessa or today's lynch. Phantom wanted to put this off until later, because maybe finding out today's lynch could be more informative then finding out Nessa's role. Which is a fair enough point, but if we wait to spin around in circles about it, it's going to get all jacked up.

I'm proposing a method that will

1) Tell the dead whether we want them to check Nessa or Today's lynch.

2) So we have a clear trail to follow for ourselves, and we don't screw up what the dead are trying to tell us.

So, instead of just our lynch votes, I think we make it plain to see what we want the dead to do. Easiest thing I can think of is.

Check _____ (insert Nessa or Today's lynch )

Dead will then go by majority rules, and if there's some tricky attempt to tie it. Then the first person who reached the vote total.

This way dead will see what we want them to do, and can continue giving the extra vote with the odds/evens plan. And we also have a trail to follow back to, so we don't screw up our end in botching what info the dead give us. Make sense? Simple?

Edit: crossed since phantom's post.

[the phantom]

(Here's the post I was going to post a few hours ago before the site went down.)

Originally Posted by Boro

This nullifies that double-lynch yesterday *glares at phantom and Lottie*.

Oh, whatever. Some people wanted Nessa, others wanted Lommy. Why don't you wait and see what they are before glaring.

Originally Posted by Boro

One more thing before sleepy time...Glorfy. Reveal when you want to, don't listen to phantom.

Whatever. If Glorfy saved himself last night then there isn't any reason not to reveal. He's going to die tonight anyway. May as well know the identity of one person.

Originally Posted by Boro

No. It's best if we tell the dead exactly what we want now.

Well then- what do you think? I would say that if the Dead find Lommy to be guilty then they should just keep checking our lynches, but if she turns out innocent they should check Nessa, for it would perhaps make that lynch particularly telling.

Originally Posted by Ang

That honour goes to Loslote. I believe her implication that she caused the double-lynch by accident, but her stress on this accident, a preemptive fanning off of blame, looks really bad. Also, read her posts yesterday's and no one else's. The consistency of wolf-perspective they show, given their rarity and brevity, is really noticeable. On the whole then I think her guilty of murder rather than of shoemaking. A cobbler wouldn't have bothered to try and excuse that double-lynch to her extent. I would like to lynch Loslote today well ahead of anyone else.

I will give her a read-over.

Originally Posted by Ang

Legate's position that lynching Cobblers is a bad thing (the heir of Nogrod's theory) and overt suspicion of phantom is another.

Yeah, I've been wondering if Legate's ill-founded (I believe) attack on me is a sign of innocence, for I cannot imagine a Wolf inviting that sort of thing. I mean really, if you've managed to stay off of Phantom's radar you'd have to be completely unafraid of death to launch any but the most careful and logically sound attack. Or is he counting on that? Risky I'd say.

Daughter's position on me is the more sensible if one is looking simply to survive. Voice a suspicion, but don't actually go so far as to poke at me. Hmmmm... I agree with Ang on this point- that's kind of suspicious.

[elronds_daughter]

Originally Posted by phantom

Well then- what do you think? I would say that if the Dead find Lommy to be guilty then they should just keep checking our lynches, but if she turns out innocent they should check Nessa, for it would perhaps make that lynch particularly telling.

I think this is a good idea.

And I haven't poked at you, phanty, because I honestly don't think you're that much of a threat. My gut tells me you're fishy, but you've been mostly helpful (if very vocal; but I'm sensing that's typical), though half of the helpfulness seems to be agreeing with Boro (who is on my "Sensible" list, by the by). Also, the fishy-gut-feelings don't point to wolfishness, just general muck-up-the-works-but-still-be-helpful-enough-to-be-ignored cobblery.

Now, to do what I was going to before the 'Downs apparently went down (pun intended, sorry).

Originally Posted by Anguirel

I feel really bad about elron's last post actually. There's a sort of mad collective conformity in this village, er, camp, which she endorses, straight down the line, numerous times -

- "not sure" on people she's been prominent in helping kill
- in favour of the technocratic elite with their elaborate plan that involves evil counting
- the phantom could be a wolf ,but for some reason we shouldn't possibly interrogate him yet
- the lovers are innocent (well, yeahhh...)
- Loslote is a scatty innocent

It's just...unconfrontational and platitudinous. There are wolves in this camp. Elron, who do you suspect? At the moment the closest thing you have to a suspect appears, in my view risibly, to be Mith...

Grumble-grumble-I-really-should-start-phrasing-things-more-decisively-grumble. <kicks self>

I can't see how I've been "prominent in helping kill" anyone except Lommy. Who I did think was off. From Day one, if you recall. If you're referring to my calling Lommy an enigma, that's because there are always things about her that I can't pin down.

I never said phantom could be a wolf. I said he seemed fishy. Which I still think he does. But (as explained above), it's not wolfishly fishy.

Mith is currently on my radar, mostly because I can't get a read on her yet. Which is puzzling.

Yes, there are wolves. For all we know, they could be the quiet, busy-in-real-life ones.

Okay, that's all for my self-defense. (That sort of thing never ends well.)

I think Boro's recent method (in conjunction with the original plan...Agan's, wasn't it? I got a bit lost that Day) is a good one. I'm really not sure why anyone is reluctant on this. Don't we want to know about the Dead before we die ourselves?

EDIT: Right, duh, of course it was Agan's plan. My brain apparently took an unexpected leave.

[Nerwen]

I'm sorry to have to be saying this again, but apologies again for not being around. It's been a combination of RL plus connection failures.

More when I've read things.

[Rikae]

Attention
Due to technical difficulties, the Day has been extended by 24 hours. DL is now 11pm EST tomorrow (February 2).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled lynching.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

INNOCENT: (to INNOCENT 2 and WOLF): You two are guilty.

INNOCENT 2: Take that back now, wolf!

WOLF: (flicking ash off end of cigarette holder) Whatever, cobbler.

Originally Posted by Loslote

But I do think you're a cobbler. You're attracting too much attention for me to call you a wolf. Under normal circumstances, yeah, I'd point fingers and call wolf, but in this game, there are just as many cobblers as wolves. It's just as likely that you would be one as it is likely that you would be the other.

Okay. The village is getting smaller, and I'm pretty confident we're down at least one cobbler (Nogrod). Two if BG was evil, or if Fea or any more of the lynchees was one. Whereas it seems very unlikely we've sent more than one wolf to Mandos yet. So... is it really Cobbler-hunting time?

Originally Posted by elronds_daughter

And I haven't poked at you, phanty, because I honestly don't think you're that much of a threat. My gut tells me you're fishy, but you've been mostly helpful (if very vocal; but I'm sensing that's typical), though half of the helpfulness seems to be agreeing with Boro (who is on my "Sensible" list, by the by). Also, the fishy-gut-feelings don't point to wolfishness, just general muck-up-the-works-but-still-be-helpful-enough-to-be-ignored cobblery.

What I said to Lottie.

Originally Posted by Elra

I can't see how I've been "prominent in helping kill" anyone except Lommy. Who I did think was off. From Day one, if you recall. If you're referring to my calling Lommy an enigma, that's because there are always things about her that I can't pin down.

Yes, I know, you said this:

Originally Posted by Elra

Glad the Lommy-enigma (she always is, to me) is gone, yes.

But that sounds rather like you just lynched her on general principles.

Originally Posted by Elra

Mith is currently on my radar, mostly because I can't get a read on her yet. Which is puzzling.

Really? I think Mith is about the most innocent-looking person in the village at the moment.

Originally Posted by Elra

Yes, there are wolves. For all we know, they could be the quiet, busy-in-real-life ones.

So... you're not going to bother looking?

Originally Posted by Elra

I think Boro's recent method (in conjunction with the original plan...Agan's, wasn't it? I got a bit lost that Day) is a good one. I'm really not sure why anyone is reluctant on this. Don't we want to know about the Dead before we die ourselves? .

Yes, but the problem is that if the, er, Evil Dead manage to derail it– or even if there's simply a screw-up– we would be basing our suspicions on wrong information. So it's actually quite a gamble. On the other hand, it is frustrating to be left in the dark as we are now, and in fact we are quite handicapped by having no wolvish connections to trace. But Boro's breathless enthusiasm for the whole thing is starting to worry me.

EDIT:X'd with Moddess.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Okay. The village is getting smaller, and I'm pretty confident we're down at least one cobbler (Nogrod). Two if BG was evil, or if Fea or any more of the lynchees was one. Whereas it seems very unlikely we've sent more than one wolf to Mandos yet. So... is it really Cobbler-hunting time?

There's a difference between actively looking for Cobblers (as opposed to wolves) and drawing a conclusion about a particular person, though. Ang jumped out at me (both in the attention-grabbing way and the attacking way ), so I looked at him. Now that I think he's a Cobbler, I'll hardly be pressing for his lynch.

Elron-Hubbard confuses me. On the one hand, she looks like a semi-newbie who's probably innocent. On the other hand, she seems awfully concerned with how she looks:

Okay, that's all for my self-defense. (That sort of thing never ends well.)

As well as a very conciliatory tone. But, all things considered, I'd say it's probably just newbieishness.

[Mithalwen]

Oh what is going on here?

Ang is suspicious because after a long absence he makes a long post? You are saying it would be better if he flipped in and made some anodyne comment and offsodded? With Greenie doing her cat thing (wall staring) I would be quite grateful if you don't lynch the only person on my continent who speaks. It is possible that the wolves felt I was the most innocent person left too in which case I might not be around longer. At least can you find some better reason than he wrote a long post that didn't toe the party line?

I'm on the radar because someone can't get a handle on me? Well sweetie that is your problem not mine. I am not a bally suitcase. I am not meant to have a handle.

Are there only cobblers in this village? ..really communicationg with the dead is fine but we can't lynch retrospectively. If we want to win we can't rely on this - we don't have the time and it is the living wolves we have to find.

YEah I know I am grouchy I have just woken up on sofa to see someone explaining (by ripping one apart) what part of a slug is good to eat. I didn't need to see that. Off to bed for a bit.

Completely off topic and useless - but Nerwen, I am sure I am not alone in holding your nation in my thought at the moment as yet another natural disaster threatens. Hope you and yours are ok.