Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, a few notes straightaway:

Originally Posted by elronds_daughter

Oh dear, oh dear. Poor Shasta.

This brought me to think of a few things. First, this sounds false (we know this stuff). But also second, it just occured to me that reactions of people towards deaths and such might be a lot more important in this game than normally. I mean (and now of course I am not speaking anymore about the above quote, since it is about a Nightly death - I am speaking about a thing which occured to me when thinking about it, related to lynches), we don't have the knowledge of what is somebody's role when somebody was lynched, but we can see also people's reactions to it. And, say, from a reaction of a person whose role is revealed later, we can discover his/her relation to some other deceased ones in this way. It's sort of random, but I still think good to note.

Otherwise... as for Mänwe's lynch: I am pretty much convinced that he was innocent. Reasons: WWs would prevent a lynch of a Wolf on Day 1, most likely, unless everybody else going for lynch were Wolves too. In general, it is just more likely that Mänwe was innocent. Secondly, this happens to him all the time. Again. He is just an easy victim and I know it - I have lynched him myself in my very first game. Intentionally, mind you. So honestly, now I think he is innocent too - because he's really just one of the easiest victims. Whoever voted for Mänwe gets my immediate suspicion. Honestly. That'd be Lommy, Lottie, Ang, Nerwen and TP himself (the latter with a bit of questionmark, as it was sort of "past". But it is also telling that among those there are people who are somewhat questionable or who have been behaving a bit suspiciously yesterDay, like namely Lommy or Lottie. Ang surprises me there a bit, as he seemed like behaving reasonably yesterDay, same goes for Nerwen. In any case: I am surprised if there is not one, or even more WWs among the bandwagon. Might be rather silly start for them, but I am pretty sure now at least one is there.

Aside from that, I am still suspicious about Nog from yesterDay, and have to look at him more.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was suspicious of Glirdan and Legate for the same reasons. I thought they were taking what I said and trying to make it a mountain out of a molehill, by using aggressive language. Even if Glirdan admitted "attack" was too strong, he still made it look like I was vigorously trying to get Nog lynched, which I wasn't at all. Nog was my biggest suspect, but it was early and all I had was the pessimism and instructions to the gifted was minorly annoying. Legate then I believe called it a "crusade against pessimism."

I am not sure what seems "aggressive" to you, but I was simply stating the fact. You behaved like a crusader against pessimism, and I agree, it was only very little you had and such. That's of course normal, it was only first Day. No problem with that. But in that little you had, you behaved like crusader against pessimism. I'm saying it from the same perspective as you say you had only pessimism. "All you had was pessimism and instructions to the gifted," and all I had was your objections against pessimism. Simple as that.

Glirdy seems posting and active, fine. Ang looks like self-appointed settler of conflict, but yea, I approve at least of the general part - whether it might serve him good also for other reasons is another thing, but that surely can be checked better in his behavior in the future. So far, giving good vibes. Lottie, aside from what I have said before, looks incredibly false and her list as well. Especially these merry names smell of Cobbler. Or worse (?)

Who seems a bit worse to me now than yesterDay is actually also Mr. P Himself. I don't have anything against his self-centered behavior, that is something we all should be used to by now, but I don't like his subtle defense of Nogrod. Also, I am interested in where do his spinnings spin forwards to - I mean now the sort of starting suspicions or questions (about Agan, Boro...?), it's just that I am curious what will become of them, like for instance, what he bases the suspicion of Agan on. Well, simply - watching.

EDIT: x-ed with Agan

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I am not sure what seems "aggressive" to you, but I was simply stating the fact. You behaved like a crusader against pessimism, and I agree, it was only very little you had and such. That's of course normal, it was only first Day. No problem with that. But in that little you had, you behaved like crusader against pessimism. I'm saying it from the same perspective as you say you had only pessimism. "All you had was pessimism and instructions to the gifted," and all I had was your objections against pessimism. Simple as that.

To me, crusade/other word forms, carry negative baggage. Don't worry in the fact that I did not take it in anyway personally, but it's a word that can bring up many emotions. I didn't think I was reacting so strongly, and irrationally driven to the destruction of pessimism, which is what I thought of when you used crusader. For me it's a very strong word, and I was wondering what you were attempting to get at by using it, particularly since I didn't think I was being crusaderly at all.

I didn't get the doom and gloom attitude or the "this is going to be a bloody mess" business. For one those are just like bantering-comments. Adds nothing to the convo, and unlike banter (which can at least be amusing to read) are entirely depressing. Add on top of that, the instructions, that really weren't instructions (which Nog naturally had to make a point on that), of what we need to do. The entire attitude looked like "well we're in trouble, because we'll only know 1 and 2 and therefor unless we do this, this is going to be a bloody mess. Oh, but you really don't have to do this of course not, no...just suggestions"