Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

And that way the whole six baddies we have can easily steer the lynch?

You assume that all wolf-packs and their cobbler allies are as masterfully co-ordinated as your pack in the Haunting of Bree. So, unless you're a wolf most packs throw caution to the wind with voting, aside from sticking to general guidelines, as to appear less co-ordinated and not in the pack-like mentality.

Are you sure you didn't mistype this?

Hahaha, corrected.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, a few notes straightaway:

Originally Posted by elronds_daughter

Oh dear, oh dear. Poor Shasta.

This brought me to think of a few things. First, this sounds false (we know this stuff). But also second, it just occured to me that reactions of people towards deaths and such might be a lot more important in this game than normally. I mean (and now of course I am not speaking anymore about the above quote, since it is about a Nightly death - I am speaking about a thing which occured to me when thinking about it, related to lynches), we don't have the knowledge of what is somebody's role when somebody was lynched, but we can see also people's reactions to it. And, say, from a reaction of a person whose role is revealed later, we can discover his/her relation to some other deceased ones in this way. It's sort of random, but I still think good to note.

Otherwise... as for Mänwe's lynch: I am pretty much convinced that he was innocent. Reasons: WWs would prevent a lynch of a Wolf on Day 1, most likely, unless everybody else going for lynch were Wolves too. In general, it is just more likely that Mänwe was innocent. Secondly, this happens to him all the time. Again. He is just an easy victim and I know it - I have lynched him myself in my very first game. Intentionally, mind you. So honestly, now I think he is innocent too - because he's really just one of the easiest victims. Whoever voted for Mänwe gets my immediate suspicion. Honestly. That'd be Lommy, Lottie, Ang, Nerwen and TP himself (the latter with a bit of questionmark, as it was sort of "past". But it is also telling that among those there are people who are somewhat questionable or who have been behaving a bit suspiciously yesterDay, like namely Lommy or Lottie. Ang surprises me there a bit, as he seemed like behaving reasonably yesterDay, same goes for Nerwen. In any case: I am surprised if there is not one, or even more WWs among the bandwagon. Might be rather silly start for them, but I am pretty sure now at least one is there.

Aside from that, I am still suspicious about Nog from yesterDay, and have to look at him more.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I was suspicious of Glirdan and Legate for the same reasons. I thought they were taking what I said and trying to make it a mountain out of a molehill, by using aggressive language. Even if Glirdan admitted "attack" was too strong, he still made it look like I was vigorously trying to get Nog lynched, which I wasn't at all. Nog was my biggest suspect, but it was early and all I had was the pessimism and instructions to the gifted was minorly annoying. Legate then I believe called it a "crusade against pessimism."

I am not sure what seems "aggressive" to you, but I was simply stating the fact. You behaved like a crusader against pessimism, and I agree, it was only very little you had and such. That's of course normal, it was only first Day. No problem with that. But in that little you had, you behaved like crusader against pessimism. I'm saying it from the same perspective as you say you had only pessimism. "All you had was pessimism and instructions to the gifted," and all I had was your objections against pessimism. Simple as that.

Glirdy seems posting and active, fine. Ang looks like self-appointed settler of conflict, but yea, I approve at least of the general part - whether it might serve him good also for other reasons is another thing, but that surely can be checked better in his behavior in the future. So far, giving good vibes. Lottie, aside from what I have said before, looks incredibly false and her list as well. Especially these merry names smell of Cobbler. Or worse (?)

Who seems a bit worse to me now than yesterDay is actually also Mr. P Himself. I don't have anything against his self-centered behavior, that is something we all should be used to by now, but I don't like his subtle defense of Nogrod. Also, I am interested in where do his spinnings spin forwards to - I mean now the sort of starting suspicions or questions (about Agan, Boro...?), it's just that I am curious what will become of them, like for instance, what he bases the suspicion of Agan on. Well, simply - watching.

EDIT: x-ed with Agan

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I am not sure what seems "aggressive" to you, but I was simply stating the fact. You behaved like a crusader against pessimism, and I agree, it was only very little you had and such. That's of course normal, it was only first Day. No problem with that. But in that little you had, you behaved like crusader against pessimism. I'm saying it from the same perspective as you say you had only pessimism. "All you had was pessimism and instructions to the gifted," and all I had was your objections against pessimism. Simple as that.

To me, crusade/other word forms, carry negative baggage. Don't worry in the fact that I did not take it in anyway personally, but it's a word that can bring up many emotions. I didn't think I was reacting so strongly, and irrationally driven to the destruction of pessimism, which is what I thought of when you used crusader. For me it's a very strong word, and I was wondering what you were attempting to get at by using it, particularly since I didn't think I was being crusaderly at all.

I didn't get the doom and gloom attitude or the "this is going to be a bloody mess" business. For one those are just like bantering-comments. Adds nothing to the convo, and unlike banter (which can at least be amusing to read) are entirely depressing. Add on top of that, the instructions, that really weren't instructions (which Nog naturally had to make a point on that), of what we need to do. The entire attitude looked like "well we're in trouble, because we'll only know 1 and 2 and therefor unless we do this, this is going to be a bloody mess. Oh, but you really don't have to do this of course not, no...just suggestions"

[Boromir88]

Koalas

Greenie - She's the honorable werewolf sort, who sticks to her principles no matter her alignment. Feeling quite good about her, and it's good to have a principled person around. I'm not even getting that "I like Greenie, but I'd really like to hear more from her to be sure" feeling that I normally get.

Nerwen - Not going to trust her as far as her suspects right now, but she looks on top-Nerwen form right now. Not letting anything slip by unnoticed and stirring the conversation.

sally - Someone I would like to see more from, but the one post looks good. Some banter, but some good comments about Lottie's behavior up to that point.

Agan - I would like to see more, she doesn't seem as controversial as usual, as

Fea - I considered sticking her in shark-infested waters because that would just amuse me, but she's definitely being a koala up to this point.

Shark infested waters

Wilwa - If she posted, she'd probably be a koala. However no posts as of yet, you go to the sharks.

Blind - What I said about wilwa applies to BG.

Nessa - I found the reasons for voting Legate odd. But think it can also be an ordo in an unfamiliar situation trying and thinking about how to best use her vote and how it applies to the Dead thread. If that makes any sense, basically...Nessa seems impressionable, but the good sort.

El - her few posts so far, the tone looks good. She offers honest opinions, even in disagreements. Only thing is, don't worry about it being your third game now. It looks like you're trying to appear like you have not gotten the hang of things, when really you've got a good grasp. So, somebody I'm watching now, but the posts don't look fake.

Anguirel - makes me a little nervous for how long it's been since we last played. Also, he is putting himself right into the thick of the action, which means he's up to something. Although, like me, Ang is always up to something, question is for good or evil? For the time being, out of those in the middle of the action, I'm feeling most comfortable with Ang. Particularly after his moderating between phantom and Mith (although for myself, I'm suspecting both much more because of that, which I will get to in a moment).

Lommy - She's always unsure of herself, but so far she's not looking "unsure" it's getting to the looking paranoid point. Bring back the other Lommy please, who was unsure, yet at the same time grounded and gave me stability. I've attributed the only thing that she had been sure of, the bororadar, has gone brokey recently. But until I see more, I'm not going to write that off as the cause.

Swarm of killer bees

Lottie - I'm seeing what sally was saying about the Lottie causing chaos of the not-good variety. The phangirl (yup had to go there) obediance thing is getting old too.

phantom and Mith - Combined because I'm beginning to see one person up to no good between to the two. Phantom looks slightly worse as the provoker, and he would know how to get Mith flustered. And Mith looks very tense, and high strung, this has historically been a sign of wolvery or honest annoyance at the perception of being attacked. I've been so far removed from Mith lately, I can't wager a tell. But it wouldn't surprise me if one of them was a wolf.

Legate - I'm waiting to see a response from. I didn't like his choice of crusade in reference to my suspicions on Nogrod. Could just be a personal disagreement I have with using that word more than Legate trying to be evil. But again, will wait for a resonse

Komodo Dragon
Nog
Glirdan

These two fall along similar to the phantom and Mith combo. Although, I'm almost to the point where I'd stake my reputation on at least one of these two is evil. Where phantom and Mith aren't looking cobblery, Nog or Glirdan to me seem like they can either be wolves or cobblers.

Nog didn't address me about my suspicions of him. Notice what he did is say "well if you have a twitter impression, I've got a fb one" (paraphrase). Whatever that means I have no idea. And again instead of addressing me on my suspicions he tries to appeal to the rest of the village that I'm looking bad but he's not willing to get the noose around me yet. Waiting to see if there would be enough support?

Nerwen has asked Glirdan a fair question about what he meant by the Manwe-bandwagon. I'm interested in Glirdan's response, but also, earlier I was not vehemently going after Nog. The above is what it looks like when I go into attack mode. Do you see the difference now Glirdy?

Godzilla

None for the time being.

Edit: crossed since my last post.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Agan - I would like to see more, she doesn't seem as controversial as usual, as

And there's another typo/mistake/error. I was going to say more, but forgot to and now I can't remember what I was going to say after reading Legate's post.

I think it was along the lines of why did she admit I had good points about the situation and after saying Nog said exactly what she was thinking, and then she went and voted for him?