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Urwen · 01-21-2011, 03:57 PM

You think so? Well, several big bosses warned him not to haste. They, in their wisdom, predicted her death, among other things. But he, hothead he was, refused to listen to wisdom. Thus, death of hers will haunt him along with other stains on his soul.

But if he had taken the time to prepare his attack better, she would have lived. And there would be one less stain on his soul.

He should have thought of possible consequences. Besides, had Lalaith lived, Turin wouldn't have married Nienor. Therefore, the incest is Maedhros' fault, not Lalaith's.

Also, I didn't mean just 'avenge them' for that's not enough for my soul seeking justice for those three. No, I meant 'bring them back to life'.

Galadriel55 · 01-21-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Also, I didn't mean just 'avenge them' for that's not enough for my soul seeking justice for those three. No, I meant 'bring them back to life'.

So you want to return humans from the dead to give these five people a chance to experience a happy life? I think it's quite possible, after the Dagor Dagorath. But not before. It just wouldn't work any other way. Don't ask me why, It just...is.

Urwen · 01-21-2011, 04:29 PM

That's what I meant. Plus, wouldn't it be nice. The family had five members THEN, the family would have five members NOW.

Don't discourage my dreams.

There's old saying: Pen is mightier than the sword.

Plus, since the original author is dead, the thorough description of Dagor Dagorath wouldn't come out.

That's the main reason I'm here-to dwindle out information on Chin Hurin after Dagor Dagorath. If all three come back to life, so would I, and therefore, my life as dead gost in here would end. When that happens, it's bye-bye, Barrow Downs forum.

Galadriel55 · 01-21-2011, 05:19 PM

Well, we've come to some agreement at last!

LadyBrooke · 01-21-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You think so? Well, several big bosses warned him not to haste. They, in their wisdom, predicted her death, among other things. But he, hothead he was, refused to listen to wisdom. Thus, death of hers will haunt him along with other stains on his soul.

But if he had taken the time to prepare his attack better, she would have lived. And there would be one less stain on his soul.

He should have thought of possible consequences. Besides, had Lalaith lived, Turin wouldn't have married Nienor. Therefore, the incest is Maedhros' fault, not Lalaith's.

You know I always forget that it was released because he attacked so soon.

So because Maedhros didn't know to the last little detail the consequences of attacking when he did, it's his fault to you. I think that expecting him to know something that not knowing the exact course the future takes just means that he's not Eru Besides I could just as easily argue that if Morgoth hadn't of killed Finwe and took the silmarils in the first place, Maedhros wouldn't have been in Middle-Earth in the first place and therefore it is still Morgoth's fault.

I don't think we will ever agree Urwen. I like Feanor, Maedhros, Maglor, and Celeborn the best. I could care less about Lalaith, Turin, or Nienor.

Urwen · 01-22-2011, 03:46 AM

Celeborn and Maglor are okay. But Feanor and Maedhros? That isn't okay.

For me, Chin Hurin share first place in my terms of liking, then comes Aredhel, then comes Finrod, and then come Luthien and Beren. Last comes Maeglin. That's that.

Sorry, but I can't like those who think of themselves above all others.

Galadriel55 · 01-22-2011, 09:07 AM

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Last comes Maeglin. That's that.

I thought Morgoth was last?

Urwen · 01-22-2011, 11:33 AM

No way. Morgoth isn't even worthy to be in my liking list-not even in last place.

Galadriel55 · 01-22-2011, 03:02 PM

Would he be the first one on your disliking list?

Urwen · 01-22-2011, 04:16 PM

Maybe....

...if there was no Feanor and Feanorians... *

*with exception of Maglor

Like said, six hotheads.. Just like their father...

I mean, really... Rashness runs in the blood...Just look at Curufin.

Or Celegorm.

I mean, he was quite good with cheating Luthien with his past lover.

Maeglin was born late in the first age, wasn't he? Aredhel probably got married to Eol just a few months earlier.

But hosts of Feanor and Fingolfin came to Middle-Earth EARLY in the first age. Celegorm is known to have devoted himself to hunting, and Aredhel is claimed to not love anyone. Coincidence? I think not.

There you have it. Celegorm claimed to love Luthien, but his only true love died when Eol cast his javelin...a cheat. No wonder Luthien didn't want him.

Oh, and this wasn't meant to offend Aredhel...just Celegorm.

01-21-2011, 03:57 PM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	You think so? Well, several big bosses warned him not to haste. They, in their wisdom, predicted her death, among other things. But he, hothead he was, refused to listen to wisdom. Thus, death of hers will haunt him along with other stains on his soul. But if he had taken the time to prepare his attack better, she would have lived. And there would be one less stain on his soul. He should have thought of possible consequences. Besides, had Lalaith lived, Turin wouldn't have married Nienor. Therefore, the incest is Maedhros' fault, not Lalaith's. Also, I didn't mean just 'avenge them' for that's not enough for my soul seeking justice for those three. No, I meant 'bring them back to life'. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

01-21-2011, 04:29 PM	#3
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	That's what I meant. Plus, wouldn't it be nice. The family had five members THEN, the family would have five members NOW. Don't discourage my dreams. There's old saying: Pen is mightier than the sword. Plus, since the original author is dead, the thorough description of Dagor Dagorath wouldn't come out. That's the main reason I'm here-to dwindle out information on Chin Hurin after Dagor Dagorath. If all three come back to life, so would I, and therefore, my life as dead gost in here would end. When that happens, it's bye-bye, Barrow Downs forum. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

01-21-2011, 05:19 PM	#4
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	Well, we've come to some agreement at last! __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-22-2011, 03:46 AM	#6
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Celeborn and Maglor are okay. But Feanor and Maedhros? That isn't okay. For me, Chin Hurin share first place in my terms of liking, then comes Aredhel, then comes Finrod, and then come Luthien and Beren. Last comes Maeglin. That's that. Sorry, but I can't like those who think of themselves above all others. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

01-22-2011, 11:33 AM	#8
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	No way. Morgoth isn't even worthy to be in my liking list-not even in last place. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

01-22-2011, 03:02 PM	#9
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,493	Would he be the first one on your disliking list? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

01-22-2011, 04:16 PM	#10
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Maybe.... ...if there was no Feanor and Feanorians... * *with exception of Maglor Like said, six hotheads.. Just like their father... I mean, really... Rashness runs in the blood...Just look at Curufin. Or Celegorm. I mean, he was quite good with cheating Luthien with his past lover. Maeglin was born late in the first age, wasn't he? Aredhel probably got married to Eol just a few months earlier. But hosts of Feanor and Fingolfin came to Middle-Earth EARLY in the first age. Celegorm is known to have devoted himself to hunting, and Aredhel is claimed to not love anyone. Coincidence? I think not. There you have it. Celegorm claimed to love Luthien, but his only true love died when Eol cast his javelin...a cheat. No wonder Luthien didn't want him. Oh, and this wasn't meant to offend Aredhel...just Celegorm. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.