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Boromir88 · 10-12-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

By the way, don't lynch me. I'm an ordo. Lynching me toDay would be bad. Of course you can't believe me. But I've sort of got to put it out there.

Yep, it requires whether I believe that or not. For as much as I've looked through the messy lynch Day 1 and have not been trusting of your involvement in it...you've definitely been more trusty than Skip. Not sure if that's much comfort though, because now Skip is looking unhinged I can't see the wolves going crazy like this when they have this game completely wrapped around their paws so far. Even if he was nearly lynched yesterday, surely the wolves wouldn't get panicky about trying to escape that situation?

I do suggest no matter his role, just pay no attention to him. If you're innocent, no offense Skip, but I think it's a well deserved ignorance. If you're the cobbler or a wolf, then good, don't want to hear what you have to say anyway.

Ozban · 10-12-2010, 12:36 PM

Skip... You know what. So be so good, please.

Boro your suggestion isn't that helpful, we got no idea whom to lynch, we could go with lottie, since wilwa started it, but do we want to?

I'm gonna go nuts soon!

Ozban · 10-12-2010, 12:39 PM

But lately has Skip been acting, as if he wanted us to lynch him, that can either be cobbler trick, or wolfish double trick to lead us into believing he's a cobb, thus to ignore him.

Boromir88 · 10-12-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozban

Boro your suggestion isn't that helpful, we got no idea whom to lynch, we could go with lottie, since wilwa started it, but do we want to?

I'm gonna go nuts soon!

That was said more out of frustration to Skip if he is really innocent. But you and me both.

I need more time and tea. Tea will be of great help. Gimme half an hour.

Edit: crossed with Ozzy

A Little Green · 10-12-2010, 12:52 PM

Skip, take it down a notch and be sensible. We can't believe you just like that, and I believe we'd all benefit if you'd try to explain yourself once more, because you - are - not - making - sense. You're starting to look cobbler to me, but the problem is that a cobbler taking desperate measures to save themselves doesn't make sense.

EDIT: x-ed with a host

A Little Green · 10-12-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lottie

I'd prefer Skip to Steve or Ozzy, but I'm guessing that those three are our pack (wild guess, but a guess nonetheless) so I'd be okay with any of them.

I've been thinking along the same crazy lines, actually, though I'm not convinced in the slightest. I doubt we'll find a likelier wolf candidate than Skip though, the way he's going.

Inziladun · 10-12-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

Skip, take it down a notch and be sensible. We can't believe you just like that, and I believe we'd all benefit if you'd try to explain yourself once more, because you - are - not - making - sense. You're starting to look cobbler to me, but the problem is that a cobbler taking desperate measures to save themselves doesn't make sense.

That's the problem. Skip's ploy doesn't make a lot of sense from any angle, but it's even more bizarre to have been a Cobbler stunt. If he's the Cobbler, I don't see why he didn't just take the lynch for the wolves.

x/d with Greenie

A Little Green · 10-12-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inzil

That's the problem. Skip's ploy doesn't make a lot of sense from any angle, but it's even more bizzare to have been a Cobbler stunt. If he's the Cobbler, I don't see why he didn't just take the lynch for the wolves.

Exactly. I see most sense in a Skippywolf doing that than an innocent or a cobbler. Not convinced, though.

EDIT: x-ed with Steve

Ozban · 10-12-2010, 01:02 PM

There is hardly anyone 100% convinced. And there is hardly any way to do so now in such a short time. I shall vote with the majority. That seems only thing reasonable in this whole situation. Decide yourself, I'm gonna grab something to drink. Be right back.

Eönwë · 10-12-2010, 12:57 PM

If we vote the hunter and they choose someone innocent we've lost the game. If they choose a Wolf, we have two more Days, I believe, in order to catch one.

If we vote someone else and they're an Ordo, just two separate votes from innocents toMorrow will seal our fate. If we vote a Wolf, we have two more Days, I think.

So do we go for Skip or Wilwa, or do we go for someone else entirely?

Nogrod · 10-12-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

the problem is that a cobbler taking desperate measures to save themselves doesn't make sense.

But a wolf making desperate steps would make sense.

If Skip is a wolf and pulled himself out from the lynch yesterDay with that hunter-impression he had to come up with something toDay - later the Day - when wilwa had counter-revealed and it started looking that maybe more people tended to trust wilwa than him. And that is a nice plan indeed - and makes sense.

EDIT: X'd with a few

A Little Green · 10-12-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nog

But a wolf making desperate steps would make sense.

If Skip is a wolf and pulled himself out from the lynch yesterDay with that hunter-impression he had to come up with something toDay - later the Day - when wilwa had counter-revealed and it started looking that maybe more people tended to trust wilwa than him. And that is a nice plan indeed - and makes sense.

Exactly. It's still kind of insane but certainly makes more sense than an innocent doing that. Or a cobbler.

EDIT: x-ed with Skip, Boro and Ozzy

A Little Green · 10-12-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

All that I will add is that the wolves (and the cobbler who'll probably hold his/her vote until very late) can afford to vote together today if they have to, but if one more innocent votes for another person than those who have votes already, namely Green and Lottie, they don't have to and they win. So, again, don't spread your votes, fellow ordos! We're as good as dead, but there's still a slim hope...

You seem awfully sure that the ones who voted for me and Lottie were doing the right thing. I can say for myself that voting me was stupid. I don't think Lottie is a wolf though for all I know she could be. I'd rather vote you.

Besides, if one of the votes already given is by a wolf (meaning you), it means we still have seven people to vote, only two of whom are wolves. It would be a mistake to believe the lynch is settled, or that it has to be either me or Lottie, because the case is anything but that.

EDIT: x-ed since my last

skip spence · 10-12-2010, 01:01 PM

All that I will add is that the wolves (and the cobbler who'll probably hold his/her vote until very late) can afford to vote together today if they have to, but if one more innocent votes for another person than those who have votes already, namely Green and Lottie, they don't have to and they win. So, again, don't spread your votes, fellow ordos! We're as good as dead, but there's still a slim hope...

Ozban · 10-12-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

All that I will add is that the wolves (and the cobbler who'll probably hold his/her vote until very late) can afford to vote together today if they have to, but if one more innocent votes for another person than those who have votes already, namely Green and Lottie, they don't have to and they win. So, again, don't spread your votes, fellow ordos! We're as good as dead, but there's still a slim hope...

I fear he might actually be right.

Loslote · 10-12-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozban

I fear he might actually be right.

Random thought: This dismalism is pretty much only used by Skip and Ozzy. It's possibe that the wolves are so sure of their victory, that they think the innocents are, too - so they're trying not to seem confident and excited, but unconfident and depressed. Just a thought.

Inziladun · 10-12-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozban

I fear he might actually be right.

But skip is saying that we must vote for Lottie or Greenie. More manipulation?

Boromir88 · 10-12-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A Little Green

Skip, take it down a notch and be sensible. We can't believe you just like that, and I believe we'd all benefit if you'd try to explain yourself once more, because you - are - not - making - sense. You're starting to look cobbler to me, but the problem is that a cobbler taking desperate measures to save themselves doesn't make sense.

That's what made sense yesterday I mean if Skip is the cobbler and wouldn't know the wolves. Unless he was outright sure about his judgement that Legate was not a wolf and then threatened Inzil into not voting for him.

However the cobbler can be a giant mess in the voting the last days when it's this tight. And by really unexpectedly fighting to not get lynched he's done just that today.

Argh, even if we get the cobbler today it's still a must kill wolf situation tomorrow. Almost seems like prolonging the inevitable. Or we just go out all for broke today, go for someone else if it's a wolf we get ourselves a bit more time (2 wolves, 6 innocents - including hunter and cobbler). If we're wrong then well we're wrong and this game ends. Drag out this seemingly long torture or go all or nothing?

Edit: crossed with a bunch

10-12-2010, 12:36 PM	#2
Ozban Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the road, again... Posts: 73	Skip... You know what. So be so good, please. Boro your suggestion isn't that helpful, we got no idea whom to lynch, we could go with lottie, since wilwa started it, but do we want to? I'm gonna go nuts soon! __________________ Let us sit upon the ground, and tell sad stories of the death of kings. - Shakespeare (Richard II)

10-12-2010, 12:39 PM	#3
Ozban Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the road, again... Posts: 73	But lately has Skip been acting, as if he wanted us to lynch him, that can either be cobbler trick, or wolfish double trick to lead us into believing he's a cobb, thus to ignore him. __________________ Let us sit upon the ground, and tell sad stories of the death of kings. - Shakespeare (Richard II)

10-12-2010, 12:52 PM	#5
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	Skip, take it down a notch and be sensible. We can't believe you just like that, and I believe we'd all benefit if you'd try to explain yourself once more, because you - are - not - making - sense. You're starting to look cobbler to me, but the problem is that a cobbler taking desperate measures to save themselves doesn't make sense. EDIT: x-ed with a host __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

10-12-2010, 01:02 PM	#9
Ozban Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the road, again... Posts: 73	There is hardly anyone 100% convinced. And there is hardly any way to do so now in such a short time. I shall vote with the majority. That seems only thing reasonable in this whole situation. Decide yourself, I'm gonna grab something to drink. Be right back. __________________ Let us sit upon the ground, and tell sad stories of the death of kings. - Shakespeare (Richard II)

10-12-2010, 12:57 PM	#10
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	If we vote the hunter and they choose someone innocent we've lost the game. If they choose a Wolf, we have two more Days, I believe, in order to catch one. If we vote someone else and they're an Ordo, just two separate votes from innocents toMorrow will seal our fate. If we vote a Wolf, we have two more Days, I think. So do we go for Skip or Wilwa, or do we go for someone else entirely? __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

10-12-2010, 01:01 PM	#14
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	All that I will add is that the wolves (and the cobbler who'll probably hold his/her vote until very late) can afford to vote together today if they have to, but if one more innocent votes for another person than those who have votes already, namely Green and Lottie, they don't have to and they win. So, again, don't spread your votes, fellow ordos! We're as good as dead, but there's still a slim hope... __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan