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Nogrod · 10-08-2010, 01:11 PM

While I was reading through the thread earlier I did also take some notes on the developement of the Shasta-wagon. I'm not promising this has every comment on the issue (and will not take on hour to re-check), but it should be quite exhaustive.

Also I have not included my own comments on it as I was doing this (on paper) just to help myself see how it goes. I - or maybe even better, someone else - might go and check them if interested.

I'll drop bolding to save time. Also S = Shasta & L = Lottie. Note also: unless in parentheses, they are not exact quotes but my shorthand...

Here we go.

Leg #35 notes that S&L act curious, like w-on-w; S accuses Pitch randomly like wolves.

Glirdy #37 "I was thinking the same" (about w-on-w).

Nerwen #38 Thirds the idea.

Green #39 the infamous 4 scenarios, stays neutral.

Ozban #44 L&S "just a random recon".

Leg #46 weary of S&L.

Pitch #48 suspects L, finds S innocentish.

Zil #50 S&L "usual selves", but "interplay companionlike". S's quick suspicion on Pitch stands out.

Lottie votes Shasta (#57)

Shasta votes Pitch (#60)

Boro #62 comments on who have stood out but doesn't mention either S or L (I thought of adding this here as it looks interesting in concerto with what he did later).

skip #64 the infamous "might vote S for reasons I'd rather not disclose at this point".

Pitch #66 list-post; puts S&L together "there be a wolf there?"

Glirdy #67 S&L&Pitch, one of the three a wolf?

Green #68 questions S.

Zil #71 L's vote for S speak for them not both being wolves; L&S obvious, too easy?

Green #72 S most suspicious, L quess innocent; not surprised if both wolves.

Green #74 L actually did vote for S? More improbable they both are wolves.

Pitch #75 gives his resons to suspect both S&L.

Leg #78 L more suspicious but lynched on D1 on the previous game.

Legate votes Lottie (#80)

Zil votes Shasta 2 (#81)
"no one else looks potentially as bad".

skip #82 would like to see S rather than L go.

Glirdy votes Shasta 3 (#87)
S&L could both ber wolves but believe S to be one; S on Pitch suspicious.

skip votes Shasta 4 (#94)

Green #95 could vote for S

Pitchie votes Shasta 5 (#96)

Boro #97 not liking the votes, will go random.

And well that's the story of the wagon developing. Rest is history.

Okay. I need a short break now but I'll be back soonish.

Feel free to look at the story meanwhile. I'll have a few comments on it too as I come back.

wilwarin538 · 10-08-2010, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

This passage struck me as rather unnerving:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boro Day 1

Because the thing is, as long as we hold up our job in buying the gifteds as many days as we can and avoid the irrationally, more often than not, extremely damaging emotional lynches, than we usually fair very well against the wolves. No stupid lynches, it really is that simple, because everyone's been a wolf here before correct? And don't you just smirk and jump for joy anytime the village manages to lynch one of their gifteds? No stupid lynches, don't do the wolves work for them, and honestly we'll be fine as our chances of winning dramatically go up.

What exactly are you talking about Boro? No stupid lynches?? As if we wanted to be stupid and lynch our gifteds...

I remember reading that yesterday, I believe I quoted it and said 'hear hear!', because it's so true. And he said it before the whole bandwaggon thing happened; he was warning us not to get in to such a situation, he wasn't chastising us for already being in the situation. If it was the latter I could maybe see why you don't like it, but since it's the former I don't see anything wrong with what he said. (it just makes me wonder if he's psychic)

He just was saying we should pay attention and not let things go out of control, since that usually leads to disaster, and clearly he was right. If more people had been concerned with the fact that votes were piling on to one person way too quickly, maybe it wouldn't have happened. It was a very 'stupid lynch'.

x'ed with 2 Pitch and Eonwe

skip spence · 10-08-2010, 01:47 PM

Argh! too much to read!

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

He just was saying we should pay attention and not let things go out of control, since that usually leads to disaster, and clearly he was right. If more people had been concerned with the fact that votes were piling on to one person way too quickly, maybe it wouldn't have happened. It was a very 'stupid lynch'.

Still don't get it I'm afraid. It was day 1. As it chanced, unfortunate circumstances (and/or devious calculation) made us lynch our Seer. Had he turned out to be a wolf (which obviously seemed likely to many back then), we'd be cheering and calling it a job well done.

skip spence · 10-08-2010, 01:51 PM

But okay, you do have a point too. It's better to have some alternatives, more might be learned from that.

So as the votes are now piling up in Pitch I'll go for:

++Legate

he says a lot but isn't really helpful (that theoretic Cobbler-talk is a prime example)

Nogrod · 10-08-2010, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skip spence

But okay, you do have a point too. It's better to have some alternatives, more might be learned from that.

It didn't exactly help to bring in a new one...

EDIT: oops I realised the other one of those who had votes was you yourself skip... so if you really believe Lottie is innocent, then understandable.

Nogrod · 10-08-2010, 01:58 PM

Of skip, Legate and Lottie I could go for Lottie.

Nogrod · 10-08-2010, 02:00 PM

Dratted pageturn....

++ Lottie

Eönwë · 10-10-2010, 12:41 PM

Also, having gone through, a vote-list:

Night 1
Wolf Kill: None
Seer Dream: Unknown. Nerwen as innocent most likely.

Day 1
Votes:
Lottie ++Shasta [Seer]
Shasta [Seer] ++Pitch [Innocent]
Legate ++Lottie
Inzil ++Shasta [Seer] (2)
Glirdy [Ranger] ++Shasta [Seer] (3)
Skip ++Shasta [Seer] (4)
Pitch [Innocent] ++Shasta [Seer] (5)
Boro ++Nerwen
Greenie ++Shasta [Seer] (6)
Nog ++Shasta [Seer] (7)
Ozzy ++Legate
Wilwa ++Wilwa

Did not vote: Eonwe, Nerwen

Night 2
Wolf Kill: None. Ranger save. Again, most likely Nerwen

Day 2
Votes:
Legate ++Lottie <2>
Nerwen ++Pitch [Innocent]
Greenie ++Skip
Ozzy ++Pitch [Innocent] (2)
Wilwa ++Pitch [Innocent] (3)
Inzil ++Pitch [Innocent] (4)
Skip ++Legate
Pitch [Innocent] ++Lottie (2)
Boro ++Pitch [Innocent] (5)
Lottie ++Pitch [Innocent] (6)
Nog ++Lottie (3)
Eonwe ++Lottie (4)

Did not vote: Glirdy [Ranger]

Night 3
Wolf Kill: Glirdy [Ranger]

Key:
(x) - number of votes
<x> - a repeat vote (i.e. number of times the same person has voted for the same person)
{x} - A revenge vote (i.e. voting for someone who voted for you)
[role] - role
Italics - Dead

edit: fixed one mistake in votes.

10-08-2010, 01:11 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	While I was reading through the thread earlier I did also take some notes on the developement of the Shasta-wagon. I'm not promising this has every comment on the issue (and will not take on hour to re-check), but it should be quite exhaustive. Also I have not included my own comments on it as I was doing this (on paper) just to help myself see how it goes. I - or maybe even better, someone else - might go and check them if interested. I'll drop bolding to save time. Also S = Shasta & L = Lottie. Note also: unless in parentheses, they are not exact quotes but my shorthand... Here we go. Leg #35 notes that S&L act curious, like w-on-w; S accuses Pitch randomly like wolves. Glirdy #37 "I was thinking the same" (about w-on-w). Nerwen #38 Thirds the idea. Green #39 the infamous 4 scenarios, stays neutral. Ozban #44 L&S "just a random recon". Leg #46 weary of S&L. Pitch #48 suspects L, finds S innocentish. Zil #50 S&L "usual selves", but "interplay companionlike". S's quick suspicion on Pitch stands out. Lottie votes Shasta (#57) Shasta votes Pitch (#60) Boro #62 comments on who have stood out but doesn't mention either S or L (I thought of adding this here as it looks interesting in concerto with what he did later). skip #64 the infamous "might vote S for reasons I'd rather not disclose at this point". Pitch #66 list-post; puts S&L together "there be a wolf there?" Glirdy #67 S&L&Pitch, one of the three a wolf? Green #68 questions S. Zil #71 L's vote for S speak for them not both being wolves; L&S obvious, too easy? Green #72 S most suspicious, L quess innocent; not surprised if both wolves. Green #74 L actually did vote for S? More improbable they both are wolves. Pitch #75 gives his resons to suspect both S&L. Leg #78 L more suspicious but lynched on D1 on the previous game. Legate votes Lottie (#80) Zil votes Shasta 2 (#81) "no one else looks potentially as bad". skip #82 would like to see S rather than L go. Glirdy votes Shasta 3 (#87) S&L could both ber wolves but believe S to be one; S on Pitch suspicious. skip votes Shasta 4 (#94) Green #95 could vote for S Pitchie votes Shasta 5 (#96) Boro #97 not liking the votes, will go random. And well that's the story of the wagon developing. Rest is history. Okay. I need a short break now but I'll be back soonish. Feel free to look at the story meanwhile. I'll have a few comments on it too as I come back. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-08-2010, 01:51 PM	#4
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	But okay, you do have a point too. It's better to have some alternatives, more might be learned from that. So as the votes are now piling up in Pitch I'll go for: ++Legate he says a lot but isn't really helpful (that theoretic Cobbler-talk is a prime example) __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

10-08-2010, 01:58 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Of skip, Legate and Lottie I could go for Lottie. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-08-2010, 02:00 PM	#7
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Dratted pageturn.... ++ Lottie __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

10-10-2010, 12:41 PM	#8
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Also, having gone through, a vote-list: Night 1 Wolf Kill: None Seer Dream: Unknown. Nerwen as innocent most likely. Day 1 Votes: Lottie ++Shasta [Seer] Shasta [Seer] ++Pitch [Innocent] Legate ++Lottie Inzil ++Shasta [Seer] (2) Glirdy [Ranger] ++Shasta [Seer] (3) Skip ++Shasta [Seer] (4) Pitch [Innocent] ++Shasta [Seer] (5) Boro ++Nerwen Greenie ++Shasta [Seer] (6) Nog ++Shasta [Seer] (7) Ozzy ++Legate Wilwa ++Wilwa Did not vote: Eonwe, Nerwen Night 2 Wolf Kill: None. Ranger save. Again, most likely Nerwen Day 2 Votes: Legate ++Lottie <2> Nerwen ++Pitch [Innocent] Greenie ++Skip Ozzy ++Pitch [Innocent] (2) Wilwa ++Pitch [Innocent] (3) Inzil ++Pitch [Innocent] (4) Skip ++Legate Pitch [Innocent] ++Lottie (2) Boro ++Pitch [Innocent] (5) Lottie ++Pitch [Innocent] (6) Nog ++Lottie (3) Eonwe ++Lottie (4) Did not vote: Glirdy [Ranger] Night 3 Wolf Kill: Glirdy [Ranger] Key: (x) - number of votes <x> - a repeat vote (i.e. number of times the same person has voted for the same person) {x} - A revenge vote (i.e. voting for someone who voted for you) [role] - role Italics - Dead edit: fixed one mistake in votes. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 10-10-2010 at 12:56 PM.