Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Thinlómien]

PS. Sally you forgot Mira from your tallies although you mentioned her.

Going now. Vote well, reps!

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

PS. Sally you forgot Mira from your tallies although you mentioned her.

Going now. Vote well, reps!

Oh. Bloody. Bother. Thanks for pointing that out. How'd I miss that?

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Sally

Greenie says she voted Nerwen because she is “independent-minded and clever” and says that putting a good Nerwen in charge is a good choice, while putting an evil Nerwen in charge can show us more about her character; either way (re: Nerwen’s alignment) Greenie is sure that voting Nerwen is a good idea. What concerns me here is that this is exactly the reasoning that I gave for Phantom. Greenie has been accusatory of me for my vote, yet hers was for the same reasons (though granted with more “evidence” behind it).

I think the "evidence" is what makes the difference for me. I was more inclined to find Nerwen innocent than not, and only after that did I come to think that even if she's evil putting her in charge might not be that bad an idea. What made me most uneasy about your vote was that it came before the one you voted for had even made an appearance, and therefore you could have no idea about his alignment in this game. Actually, though, stuff you have said after your yesterDay's rep vote concerns me much much more than that vote.

Originally Posted by Sally

Also, if Wilwa was making so much sense, why didn’t she vote for her?

I had only seen one (though innocentish and sense-making) post by Wilwa before I voted, and didn't want to vote for someone I had seen so little of. In fact, I'm not sure if voting her for rep even crossed my mind! I had more or less made my decision by the time Wilwa's first post appeared. Also, as you can plainly see from my vote post, Wilwa's second sense-making post I mentioned was one my vote post crossed with, so seeing that post couldn't have changed my vote even if I had wanted it to.

[A Little Green]

This will, in all probability, be the last from me toDay. Reps, choose well please. I'd prefer it if you lynched Sally, and wouldn't object to lynching Cel or Mira. Also, I'd prefer it if you left Shasta, Lommy, Wilwa and phantom alone.


EDIT: x-ed with Legate and Nog! Yay, people! I might not leave after all. Or I might.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Legate

Generally: the options for my vote as they are now would be like Celuien or Rune, to a lesser extent Wilwa, Zil or Sally (but the latter mostly under certain circumstances which do not seem likely to arise).

Thoughts, options, comments? Now is the time to make them also if somebody is around... I would also like to know whom would people vote - asking especially my voters (but I think it would be the best if we could hear from everybody). It's not that I am going to be guided against my will, but I might in some case of several equal options consider others' ideas (though to be honest, I do not expect that to happen and I would prefer to make my own decision anyway; aside from that, two of you are Reps too so you can use your votes as you see fit).

Well. Of Celuien and Rune, I'd certainly prefer Cel as I think I have a read on Rune and I think he's innocent. Of Wilwa, Zil and Sally, then - I find Wilwa very innocent and wouldn't have you vote her, I'm not convinced either way about Zil, and as I said I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Sally lynched.


EDIT: x-ed with Sally

[Mirandir]

*is a super epic fail at this game and would request modfire if Fea wouldn't literally eat her soul and probably forbid her to ever loiter at her house again ever*

On that note, I am in desperate need of a nap and will be legitimately around after that (given I don't die in my sleep or something). If there's anything in particular people would like me to respond to, condensed versions would be much appreciated.

x.x

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Legate

Off for a while, will be back in several hours. Looking forward to see some posts... May The Phorc Not Be Among Them in excessive amount.

Yeah, what are the chances of that.

Originally Posted by Green

Looking forwards to seeing what they will do! I'm feeling optimistic right now.

Are you always this optimistic? Because I almost want to suspect you for it, as it is usually quite difficult to convince me of my chances until something is nearly in the bag or the odds are stacked heavily in favor, and even then I tend to worry and fear the worst. Blast you and your different way of thinking!

Originally Posted by Lommy

Funny that the two whom phantom wanted to see dead yesterDay ended up modfired toDay... Phantom dear, are you sure you haven't been bribing our moddesses?

Are you questioning me? Because if you are...
*prepares to send another bribe to the Mods*

Kath is here!! And looks good.

Anyway, I'll be back with a Rep voting list and such (for both days) and will give some thoughts.

[the phantom]

IMPORTANT NOTE: Please recall that Fea asked us to remember to use the correct voting format this time around- double signs (++) on BOTH sides of the name you are voting for.

Her example from the Admin thread-

++Fea++

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I think it not unlikely one of these two is Lottie's fellow. My guess is that it might be Sally, and that Lottie, and perhaps Sally as well, took phantom's post at #10 as a pledge of loyalty from the Unknown Orc. Then perhaps Lottie took Sally's post at #12 as a signal that it was OK to vote phantom. (Note that in each case it could have been a misinterpretation– that doesn't matter.)

That is all speculation, of course– I could be completely out in all this. The point I am making is that Lottie and Sally's voting patterns are not the massive obstacle to a Sallyelf theory that they've been taken as.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I must say that Nerwen is right here that indeed the double-vote from both sally and Lottie is not so improbable to have been from two SoE.

I still think that for Lottie to have made her vote so quickly in the footsteps of her mate would have been unnecessarily risky. She had to have known those votes would be questioned.
I'd agree with those who said that if Lottie did indeed follow SallyElf's lead by voting tp, it was a sudden decision, not something they'd planned. Like I said, they'd have to have considered that those votes would be scrutinized.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Wilwa posts a lot without saying much; general tone of breathless gaiety is reminiscent of her wolf-style; only starts suspecting Lottie when the latter is clearly in trouble. So yeah, she might be a wolf– but surely only if Sally isn't, because otherwise voting them both would be an insane risk.

I thought Wilwa looked all right going up to YesterDay's vote. I was thinking of voting for her at one point. It was her split votes, coupled with toDay's apparent nerviness that made me suspect her. And I agree that it's highly unlikely she and Sally are both evil.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Unless both Sally and Lottie are wolves, then wolf-phantom would've been wise to change his mind about Sally a bit earlier on and voted her and saved Lottie. This makes him seem more innocent (until/unless sally is proved a wolf, which wouldn't be that big a surprise). Also, he seems too impassionate in the end of the voting on Day1 to have any serious interest on the income, which he would've had had he been a wolf with (just) Lottie.

It seems insanely risky for three Elves to have so blatantly joined themselves together so early on Day 1. That's is why I'm leaning more toward tp being the OoUA than an Elf, (if he is indeed evil). I don't think he would have invited Lottie's vote the way he did if they'd been mates.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

As for toDay's lynch: I'd prefer to see Sally, Cel or Wilwa gone. I don't have many solid reasons to back this up: mostly they all just seem "off" to me (Cel the most), and Wilwa's vote was fishy. Sally's role would tell us a great deal of phantom, I think.

I think I'd prefer Wilwa over Sally at this point, but either could tell us quite a bit with their alignment known. The most suspect thing about Cel seems to be her vote yesterDay, and I don't think I'd want to lynch her, especially as she hasn't been her toDay at all.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Have been around and reading for a while and I have been trying to make my thoughts on whom I could basically vote. Let me now post a short list of people, and who of them I could vote for toDay:

Celuien - I started to look at her closely after I considered the votes, and now I am not sure about her posting, I think I would like to look at it again. She would be probably one option for me toDay.
Foley - inclined to believe her innocent and aside from that, she's not around - I am not voting her.
Greenie - she does not seem suspicious to me by her behavior, the only thing which could do her bad would be her voting, but that only in case sally is innocent, and even that makes quite many "what if"s. She is not getting my vote either.
Kath - good to see her around, there is nothing in her posts which would seem outright suspicious, I am getting perhaps some general disconcert from her, but that's her always-enigmatic nature for me. Let's see what can be made of her after some day she actually votes, or even becomes a Rep
Lommy - also does not get my vote, for several reasons; her vote was probably the most innocent and she generally behaves innocently, I do not suspect her.
Mira - I have many questionmarks over her, but she is not around at all, so unless she shows up, I am not even considering her.
Nerwen - like I said a few times, generally I find her more on the innocent side; she won't be getting my vote today.
Nog - I am generally in the dark about him, I get no bad feeling from him, he is sort of basic Nog, but so basic (as in: "basic English") that I am not also not getting particularly strong inclinations that would make me think "yes, he surely must be innocent!" Could be largely caused by his lessened participation (there are no fights with Roa etc., where his general temper and behavior shows a lot more ) Likely not voting him.
Phantom - considering all the input I have from him/about him/other people about him etc., I think he is more on the innocent side by a tiny bit. Probably not voting him.
Rune - is sort of enigmatic and I am still not so very fond of him. He was not a Rep, so there was no chance to really read his votes. Like with Cel, I think I am going to take a better look at all of his posts, and see what I think after that. *later edit when re-checking the post before posting: Hm, actually, now I sort of pity that he is not a Rep, if there is a person whom I would like to see voting, it is him. Wonder if I should keep him for that and vote him Rep in the following Day, then... although who knows what the situation will be then...
Sally - I spoke about why I am inclined to think her innocent. If I had to choose between her and somebody I trust more, I could vote her, but I don't think it will come to that, especially with my amount of votes and with the fact that I am probably going to vote earlier than most of others due to the European time.
Shasta - no reading on him, like I said. I could possibly go through his posts too if I have time, although it would be starting rather from scratch (but I would like to do it sometime anyway). In any case, since nothing did jump on me on first sight, he's more like in the same cathegory as Kath for now.
Steve - generally seems very reasonable and all, I am most certainly not going to vote him today.
Wilwa - I have several questionmarks over her too, although when I read some peoples' suspicions against her, I am getting the sort of feeling of that this might be the case of "how to misjudge an innocent".
Zil - partially similar to Shasta now, has been under my radar for the previous Day mostly. Better to also take a look at him if I can.

Generally: the options for my vote as they are now would be like Celuien or Rune, to a lesser extent Wilwa, Zil or Sally (but the latter mostly under certain circumstances which do not seem likely to arise).

Thoughts, options, comments? Now is the time to make them also if somebody is around... I would also like to know whom would people vote - asking especially my voters (but I think it would be the best if we could hear from everybody). It's not that I am going to be guided against my will, but I might in some case of several equal options consider others' ideas (though to be honest, I do not expect that to happen and I would prefer to make my own decision anyway; aside from that, two of you are Reps too so you can use your votes as you see fit).

Since I spent actually over two hours here now, I will probably do something else for a while and then come back, reread something, possibly have something to read also from you others if anybody posts...

EDIT: ha, great, the silence is broken - x-ed with Greenie and Nog

[satansaloser2005]

To Nog, re: Wilwa.

You're not alone by any means, I believe. I think Wilwa has been fishy as well, and unlike some, I don't have the wishy-washy "but it's innocent fishy" response to her.


To Legate.

For what it's worth, I'd greatly prefer Wilwa or Cel toDay, Wilwa especially. Not only do I suspect Wilwa pretty hard, I think her death could tell us quite a lot about others in the village.

EDIT: x'd with Greenie

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Nog - (there are no fights with Roa etc., where his general temper and behavior shows a lot more )

My general temper or my overtired temper at 3am to 6am?

Generally: the options for my vote as they are now would be like Celuien or Rune, to a lesser extent Wilwa, Zil or Sally (but the latter mostly under certain circumstances which do not seem likely to arise).

Okay. I need to look back at Celuien as so many people talk about her being suspicious - I kind of share a certain uneasiness with her due more to style-issues, but nothing more as yet.

Rune is more composed and he's not getting mad at anyone. So should I count it as suspicious? Agreeableness sure is one of the general trademarks of the elves.

Inzil has been quite careful - like I think he normally is. So I don't see any special red lights going on in there. But I think I need to take a closer look at him as well.

Sally I would leave to the seer as I said before. Someone actually noted that it might take a few Days before the seer comes out - that's just the better, for that would mean more information.

At the moment I think Wilwa looks the most suspicious (especially the voting-stuff from yesterDay), but I'll check at some others as well.