Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Legate of Amon Lanc · 09-16-2010, 04:36 PM

All right, I am back, but I am actually totally exhausted and my toDay didn't go as planned at all, I had only time to check the thread once during the day and not even time to post, and even now I do not feel like having anything clever to add, because most of the thread as I read it sort of merged into one confusing mess.

My thoughts which I can contribute right now are sort of random, whatever somehow caught up my attention, or what sticks out of the general mess. Firstly, even though phantom may be behaving oddly, I still am not okay with the idea to get him straightaway lynched. I think we may learn far more from his actions later, or at least I would still like to try it. Secondly, I really like Eönwë's posts. He says things I mostly really agree with. Thirdly, I am glad Kath is back. Fourthly, as for the ideas of lynching Mira, it also does not seem like a good idea to me, her vote was rather random to be Elf-y, I think - I see it no reason to vote her. Fifthly and lastly, if you asked me about possible Elves, I am generally quite clueless about many people - there's been a lot of back and forth in the thread and generally I had little time to process it very well. If I were to say somebody, I would say either somebody of the still curious pair Lottie-sally the initial phantomvoters (theoretically - possibly - even with tp himself, thinking of that; but like I said, I would still prefer to see more of him, it's nothing concrete), and then Rune with his original possible buttering-up as I said earlier, and now sort of "backed away" attitude (although might be just because he is not in the center of things), or Glirdan with the total under the radar behavior. If I was a rep, I would possibly vote the last one, but not sure.

Okay, as usually I ended up saying perhaps at least something, still, I am mostly tired now and not able to concentrate now anymore. So, good Night, folks... and Reps, vote well...

EDIT: x-ed since Folwren

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 04:54 PM

Who all is a rep, and how many of you are interested in lynching Boro at all?

Lommy- I disagree with the thoughts that led to your vote, but I am at least pleased that out of the S-L-P triangle you chose the corner that you did. It's the most logical from my perspective, though my reasoning would obviously be different than yours.

Nerwen · 09-16-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the phantom

Who all is a rep, and how many of you are interested in lynching Boro at all?

Lommy- I disagree with the thoughts that led to your vote, but I am at least pleased that out of the S-L-P triangle you chose the corner that you did. It's the most logical from my perspective, though my reasoning would obviously be different than yours.

Hmmn. I believe I know what that reasoning is (if sincere). Now I have to work out how well you'd be able to second-guess me...

I would, at the moment, consider lynching Boro or one of your supporters. No, not because wanting to elect you is inherently suspicious (it is, but but that's beside the point

), but because all three have in different ways actually acted quite suspiciously in the course of it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legate

Firstly, even though phantom may be behaving oddly, I still am not okay with the idea to get him straightaway lynched. I think we may learn far more from his actions later, or at least I would still like to try it. Secondly, I really like Eönwë's posts. He says things I mostly really agree with.

Ummm. These comments seem a bit... random. Legate, at this stage there doesn't seem much of a move to lynch the phantom, and if you're talking about Steve's last post it doesn't make much sense at all (due to tiredness, it seems).

EDIT:X'd with Xed.

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 05:12 PM

Okay, been doing a bit of skimming, and I'm quite certain that today we should NOT lynch-

Phantom
Rune
Sally
Izzy

I wouldn't cry if we lynch one of these-

Boro
Glirdan

I reserve the right to completely flip-flop on all of these tomorrow.

Nerwen · 09-16-2010, 05:18 PM

Arrrgh. My internet is showing signs of imminent death. So much as I'd like to chew the fat of who-knows-what-creature with my fellow politigoblins, I'm going to have to vote now.

++Boro for the lynch
++Sally for the lynch.

EDIT:X'd since my last post.

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 05:23 PM

Lommy for Lottie (3)
Green for Sally (2)
Nerwen for Sally (3)
Nerwen for Boro (1)

Lottie- 3
Sally- 3
Boro- 1

STILL TO VOTE:
Phantom: 3
Izzy: 2
Wilwa: 2
Celuien: 2

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 05:25 PM

Anyone can answer this, but in particular I'd like to know what the remaining reps think about Glirdan and Boro.

wilwarin538 · 09-16-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Celuien

The worst I think he can be accused of is related to the "vote for me" gambit, which at least stirred up some discussion.

Even that, though, in his case isn't suspicious. What Day 1 ever goes by without Phantom suggesting some crazy plan that would leave him with all the power, and that no one in a million years would go along with? Especially in games like this, where the dynamic is different, he waltzes in with some idea along the lines of "I'm the bestest and the smartest, do what I say and we win", so we really can't suspect him for that. (and he greatly amuses me and Timmy, I'd hate to see him go so soon)

Now regarding Boro and Glirdan? Boro seems fine to me, though I haven't had as much time to really look at people as I'd like, but his reactions to Phantom are to be expected in my opinion, and nothing really seems evilish to me. Then Glirdypie, well his logic always seems rediculous to me, considering how well we mesh in RL I still have no idea why we clash so much in WW

. So I'm going to give him a Day or two before I pounce on his logic. So no, I shall not vote for either of them.

Now Sallycakes and Lottiepop, well I hearts them greatly *snuggles*, but would be willing to lynch them both. At the moment the way Lottie defended Phantom so much earlier seemed strange to me (I think it was Nerwen she was talking back and forth with, and the whole exchange was just so weird), so I'd be leaning more towards her, she just seems so sneaky.

I feel very good about X'ed, Shasta and Noggins, and fairly neutral about the others.

I'll be on for the next half hour, and then I have to vote.

x'ed with Phantom, Izzy, Phantom, Izzy

wilwarin538 · 09-16-2010, 06:23 PM

So that there's one on this page.

Lommy for Lottie (3)
Green for Sally (2)
Nerwen for Sally (3)
Nerwen for Boro (1)
Celuien for Boro (3)

Lottie- 3
Sally- 3
Boro- 3

STILL TO VOTE:
Phantom: 3
Izzy: 2
Wilwa: 2

Hmm, nice little tie going on at the moment. And basically it will be whoever of those three Phantom wants to lynch, since he outweighs Izzy and I (unless we vote the same).

x'ed with Izzy

A Little Green · 09-16-2010, 05:10 PM

Ouch. I'm here, I skimmed the thread through, had no time to read properly (it's currently 2 AM, my alarm clock goes off in five hours in another part of town and I have a full day of work ahead..) I'm really sorry for this mess, I was meant to have time on the computer during the day but my internet totally failed. + I believe I did say I was going to have a busy day and participate only crappily so I wonder why I was elected to be a rep.. I'll do my best though.

From what I've seen, I'm inclined to think that Lommy, Shasta, Rune, Foley and Nerwen look pretty innocentish. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with phantom and Lottie, and I'll be somewhat surprised if Sally is not an elf.

A Little Green · 09-16-2010, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phantom

Who all is a rep, and how many of you are interested in lynching Boro at all?

I'm a rep and I'm not that enthusiastic about lynching Boro - if not that enthusiastic about saving him, either. I have a hard time trying to read him, so I really can't judge.

Gah. I really need to get some sleep now, again so sorry for toDay! I promise to make a better effort toMorrow, if I have internet that is and if I'm still alive.

++ Sally

I hope I'm right. I guess I am.

Celuien · 09-16-2010, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Who all is a rep, and how many of you are interested in lynching Boro at all?

Well, Boro has been unsettling to me... more of a gut feeling than anything else. I wouldn't mind voting for him.

I have no real read on Glirdy.

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-16-2010, 05:34 PM

I hope all these votes are counting. I think you're supposed to vote like this -

++YourVoteHere++

in red.

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 05:37 PM

Darn it, Shasta! I was going to vote properly and wait to the end to point out that the others weren't proper. *shakes fist*

Shastanis Althreduin · 09-16-2010, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

Darn it, Shasta! I was going to vote properly and wait to the end to point out that the others weren't proper. *shakes fist*

Pardon me for having the best interests of the town at heart.

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Pardon me for having the best interests of the town at heart.

Ha ha ha!

Well, technically your best interest may end up with the wrong person being lynched looking back on it after the fact. From my perspective, I would just as well have it so that my vote is the only one that counts.

Nienna · 09-16-2010, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I hope all these votes are counting. I think you're supposed to vote like this -

++YourVoteHere++

in red.

Yes, they will still count. Please try to remember better for toMorrow.

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 06:11 PM

Ha ha! I actually have people ask me that in RL a lot, Izzy!

I do enjoy a bit of recreational poker and sporting picks and brackets etc, but I don't do so for cash.

Celuien · 09-16-2010, 06:16 PM

Ok, I have to vote now.

Both votes ++Boro++

the phantom · 09-16-2010, 06:16 PM

Okay, have to leave now. I'll be back online as soon as I'm home. Fifteen minutes I'd guess.

wilwarin538 · 09-16-2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the phantom

I do enjoy a bit of recreational poker and sporting picks and brackets etc, but I don't do so for cash.

*has incredible luck at pocker, without even understanding how it works*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom

Why those choices, Izzy? On the innocent list, it's either a strategic choice or because they have on at least three occasions said something that set off innocent alarms. The strategic reasoning I choose not to detail at this time. That'll be something for tomorrow.

Yet another thing he does every Day 1, "I have a brilliant plan, if you pay close enough attention you may figure it out, if not I'll explain it eventually. Just trust me".

x'ed with Celuien and Phantom

Celuien · 09-16-2010, 04:59 PM

Arrr, back at last after running around like a chicken with its head cut off, or perhaps cutting off chickens' heads?

I'll be back in a bit after catching up.

Celuien · 09-16-2010, 05:24 PM

As time is fairly short, I won't be able to put a lot of detail into explanations.

I really don't see tp as suspicious today. The worst I think he can be accused of is related to the "vote for me" gambit, which at least stirred up some discussion. So I won't be voting for him unless something drastic happens to change my mind in the next couple of hours.

Likewise, the attack on the early voters for him seems a little silly to me... I've always been in the day 1s are annoying (etc etc) camp, and had I been around before all the controversy started, was thinking of doing the same thing just because tp is tp and it would have amused me. That makes it hard for me to suspect sally and lottie on the mere basis of early phantom voting.

And no, Noggie and Lommie, I'm not playing a phorc phiddle... but I do find it fun to be in-role as an orc. *throws disgusting and probably questionably procured items in a bubbling cauldron of smelly stew* If suspicion of me is only based on being in role, that's interesting, and will place my eye in the direction of said suspectors.

Izzy, Eonwe and Wilworc seem genuine.

Something is bothering me about Boro in his discussion with Mira.

As for the rest, I really can't tell one way or another.

09-16-2010, 04:36 PM	#1
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	All right, I am back, but I am actually totally exhausted and my toDay didn't go as planned at all, I had only time to check the thread once during the day and not even time to post, and even now I do not feel like having anything clever to add, because most of the thread as I read it sort of merged into one confusing mess. My thoughts which I can contribute right now are sort of random, whatever somehow caught up my attention, or what sticks out of the general mess. Firstly, even though phantom may be behaving oddly, I still am not okay with the idea to get him straightaway lynched. I think we may learn far more from his actions later, or at least I would still like to try it. Secondly, I really like Eönwë's posts. He says things I mostly really agree with. Thirdly, I am glad Kath is back. Fourthly, as for the ideas of lynching Mira, it also does not seem like a good idea to me, her vote was rather random to be Elf-y, I think - I see it no reason to vote her. Fifthly and lastly, if you asked me about possible Elves, I am generally quite clueless about many people - there's been a lot of back and forth in the thread and generally I had little time to process it very well. If I were to say somebody, I would say either somebody of the still curious pair Lottie-sally the initial phantomvoters (theoretically - possibly - even with tp himself, thinking of that; but like I said, I would still prefer to see more of him, it's nothing concrete), and then Rune with his original possible buttering-up as I said earlier, and now sort of "backed away" attitude (although might be just because he is not in the center of things), or Glirdan with the total under the radar behavior. If I was a rep, I would possibly vote the last one, but not sure. Okay, as usually I ended up saying perhaps at least something, still, I am mostly tired now and not able to concentrate now anymore. So, good Night, folks... and Reps, vote well... EDIT: x-ed since Folwren __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

09-16-2010, 04:54 PM	#2
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Who all is a rep, and how many of you are interested in lynching Boro at all? Lommy- I disagree with the thoughts that led to your vote, but I am at least pleased that out of the S-L-P triangle you chose the corner that you did. It's the most logical from my perspective, though my reasoning would obviously be different than yours. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-16-2010, 05:12 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Okay, been doing a bit of skimming, and I'm quite certain that today we should NOT lynch- Phantom Rune Sally Izzy I wouldn't cry if we lynch one of these- Boro Glirdan I reserve the right to completely flip-flop on all of these tomorrow. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-16-2010, 05:18 PM	#5
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Arrrgh. My internet is showing signs of imminent death. So much as I'd like to chew the fat of who-knows-what-creature with my fellow politigoblins, I'm going to have to vote now. ++Boro for the lynch ++Sally for the lynch. EDIT:X'd since my last post. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo. Last edited by Nerwen; 09-16-2010 at 05:22 PM.

09-16-2010, 05:23 PM	#6
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Lommy for Lottie (3) Green for Sally (2) Nerwen for Sally (3) Nerwen for Boro (1) Lottie- 3 Sally- 3 Boro- 1 STILL TO VOTE: Phantom: 3 Izzy: 2 Wilwa: 2 Celuien: 2 __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-16-2010, 05:25 PM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Anyone can answer this, but in particular I'd like to know what the remaining reps think about Glirdan and Boro. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-16-2010, 06:23 PM	#9
wilwarin538 Fluttering Enchantment Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,508	So that there's one on this page. Lommy for Lottie (3) Green for Sally (2) Nerwen for Sally (3) Nerwen for Boro (1) Celuien for Boro (3) Lottie- 3 Sally- 3 Boro- 3 STILL TO VOTE: Phantom: 3 Izzy: 2 Wilwa: 2 Hmm, nice little tie going on at the moment. And basically it will be whoever of those three Phantom wants to lynch, since he outweighs Izzy and I (unless we vote the same). x'ed with Izzy __________________ Comme une étoile amarante Comme un papillon de nuit C'est la lumière qui m'attire La flamme qui m'éblouit Fenris Muffin

09-16-2010, 05:10 PM	#10
A Little Green Leaf-clad Lady Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,571	Ouch. I'm here, I skimmed the thread through, had no time to read properly (it's currently 2 AM, my alarm clock goes off in five hours in another part of town and I have a full day of work ahead..) I'm really sorry for this mess, I was meant to have time on the computer during the day but my internet totally failed. + I believe I did say I was going to have a busy day and participate only crappily so I wonder why I was elected to be a rep.. I'll do my best though. From what I've seen, I'm inclined to think that Lommy, Shasta, Rune, Foley and Nerwen look pretty innocentish. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with phantom and Lottie, and I'll be somewhat surprised if Sally is not an elf. __________________ "But some stories, small, simple ones about setting out on adventures or people doing wonders, tales of miracles and monsters, have outlasted all the people who told them, and some of them have outlasted the lands in which they were created."

09-16-2010, 05:34 PM	#13
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	I hope all these votes are counting. I think you're supposed to vote like this - ++YourVoteHere++ in red. __________________ Shasta– ... However, if he's innocent his famous clairvoyant powers must be taking the week off. Meanwhile, the Night-kills have been awfully effective– almost like we're dealing with a psychic wolf... - Nerwen, WW LXXV

09-16-2010, 05:37 PM	#14
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Darn it, Shasta! I was going to vote properly and wait to the end to point out that the others weren't proper. shakes fist __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-16-2010, 06:11 PM	#18
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Ha ha! I actually have people ask me that in RL a lot, Izzy! I do enjoy a bit of recreational poker and sporting picks and brackets etc, but I don't do so for cash. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

09-16-2010, 06:16 PM	#19
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Ok, I have to vote now. Both votes ++Boro++ __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

09-16-2010, 04:59 PM	#22
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	Arrr, back at last after running around like a chicken with its head cut off, or perhaps cutting off chickens' heads? I'll be back in a bit after catching up. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

09-16-2010, 05:24 PM	#23
Celuien Riveting Ribbiter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Assigned to Mordor Posts: 1,767	As time is fairly short, I won't be able to put a lot of detail into explanations. I really don't see tp as suspicious today. The worst I think he can be accused of is related to the "vote for me" gambit, which at least stirred up some discussion. So I won't be voting for him unless something drastic happens to change my mind in the next couple of hours. Likewise, the attack on the early voters for him seems a little silly to me... I've always been in the day 1s are annoying (etc etc) camp, and had I been around before all the controversy started, was thinking of doing the same thing just because tp is tp and it would have amused me. That makes it hard for me to suspect sally and lottie on the mere basis of early phantom voting. And no, Noggie and Lommie, I'm not playing a phorc phiddle... but I do find it fun to be in-role as an orc. throws disgusting and probably questionably procured items in a bubbling cauldron of smelly stew If suspicion of me is only based on being in role, that's interesting, and will place my eye in the direction of said suspectors. Izzy, Eonwe and Wilworc seem genuine. Something is bothering me about Boro in his discussion with Mira. As for the rest, I really can't tell one way or another. __________________ People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect. But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff. Last edited by Celuien; 09-16-2010 at 05:25 PM. Reason: Xed with everyone between this post and my "I'm here" announcement.