Werewolf LXXXI: Under the Misty Mountains

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh, and Mirandir. Her vote was weird.

As eye-roll-inducing as Mira's vote was, it was probably too reckless to be something a Mirandelf would do.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Your response has nothing to do with my statement. I did not say L & S had the same number of posts to read over when they voted, but rather that they knew the same exact amount when they voted. Actual knowledge. Something you can bank on. Reading through five pages of "I don't like those early votes!" and "I don't like Phantom!" and "You're wrong!" and "Let's not split votes!" does not qualify as gaining actual real knowledge. You can try and form a hunch based upon such things, but that is all.

You can't simply disregard what can be gained by reading the things that people say, either. I simply do not understand why you're doing so, and saying that we should do the same.

Legate's #206 makes me uneasy - it's a relatively large post that says nothing but the obvious, as if he's participating but not really.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I'm glad Shasta has taken up me and Greenie's crusade against phantom's silly arguments so I don't need to concentrate on it any longer, haha.

Pish. "Taken up"? I believe I started the whole thing, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Rune

I love it my self, I seldom make as much sense as in that particular post. Of course this is because I did not write that post. . . You are infact basing your opinion of me on something Folwren said.

...
...
...
Whoops. I feel like a lamebrain now, for sure.

Edit: X'ed with phorc.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Now, if you're a SoE and you've been hatching plans for various ways to influence the rep voting I'm sure it makes you downright livid when some misbehaving orc votes before you've had the chance to work your charms on them. Well sorry, but that's just tough luck for you.

Now you're chainsawing, Phantom. Come on. You can do better than that. Trying to lash back against those who find you suspicious by calling them suspicious (which is what you're doing) is a baddie hallmark.

Originally Posted by Phantom

Basically, you're basing your actions upon something that you say shouldn't have happened in the first place, which means that had everyone followed your advice and not jumped the gun, you wouldn't have had any reason to vote later yourself, thus proving me correct when it comes to how incredibly flimsy our day 1 rep voting is going to be.

Last I checked, this game was about catching Elves, not 'proving Phantom right'. Whether or not you are correct about whether or not Day 1 voting is flimsy is highly irrelevant. The point here is that Izzy gave her vote some thought, whereas Sally and Lottie did not (although given Lottie's defense of her vote, which I'm going to go back and read again, I may change my opinion on her).

Edit: X'ed with Bororc.

[Folwren]

I'd say that Mirandir's vote was more annoying than suspicious, really. If she had indeed read next to nothing and paid next to no attention to what was going on, then little wonder she voted for Phantom. Chances are, she was acting flippantly, like most people do on day one, and was running with Phantom's joke. If it had not been for the fact that the discussion about Phantom's voters had been going on all day, her vote would have been perfectly acceptable as a first day sort of jokingness. I don't think Mirandir is worthy of lynching.

And after spending a considerable amount of time reading lots of posts, I have nothing further to say and no more time to say it in. We've practically beaten the Sally-and-Lottie-baseless-votes-for-phantom issue to death, so I'll leave it be.

I'm off. And may not be back on much at all before deadline.

X-posted with Lommy and Shasta.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

You can't simply disregard what can be gained by reading the things that people say, either. I simply do not understand why you're doing so, and saying that we should do the same.

I'm not telling you to disregard what people say! By all means, try to gain a feel for people. I'm certainly doing it. I'm simply saying don't criticize others for not voting in the same manner as you on a day when it doesn't really make a difference.

Originally Posted by Phantom

Now, if you're a SoE and you've been hatching plans for various ways to influence the rep voting I'm sure it makes you downright livid when some misbehaving orc votes before you've had the chance to work your charms on them. Well sorry, but that's just tough luck for you.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Now you're chainsawing, Phantom. Come on.

*snicker*
I did that on purpose, laddie. Poking the beehive, so to speak, just to see what reactions I got (outrage or glossing over or ignoring etc). A part of me is truly curious if any of the attackers of those ladies are truly of that mindset, but I'm fully aware odds are it isn't the case with most.

Oh, and just because I am evil, here is a quote from me at the very beginning of the last voting republic style game we did with Fea-

Originally Posted by me, WW LIII

I bet if we made a list of suspects right now, before anyone has even started talking, we'd be just as accurate as we would be at sundown.

Encouraging thought, yes?

To which you replied-

Originally Posted by Shasta, WW LIII

More like pessimistic thought, but sadly you're probably correct.

See? You used to agree with me about this sort of thing.

And Folwren, m'dear, you actually proved my points quite nicely when you were talking about Mira.

Originally Posted by Folwren

Chances are, she was acting flippantly, like most people do on day one, and was running with Phantom's joke. If it had not been for the fact that the discussion about Phantom's voters had been going on all day, her vote would have been perfectly acceptable as a first day sort of jokingness.

Thank you!! This has been my entire point all along, Fol! You just said most people act flippantly on Day 1, and you also said that Day 1 joke votes are perfectly acceptable!

That's what I've been arguing the whole time! That this sort of thing is just fine within the scope of Werewolfing and is usually not treated so seriously by so many people! So, there now people. Now that you've seen someone on your side admit to my entire premise (two people actually if you count Shasta from last game), are you able to see where I'm coming from here?

Now I'm just left wondering- are so many people having the same unusual reaction to this due to some sort of plan, or is it simply the lemming effect that is quite common in these contests?

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by the phantom

And Folwren, m'dear, you actually proved my points quite nicely when you were talking about Mira.

Thank you!! This has been my entire point all along, Fol! You just said most people act flippantly on Day 1, and you also said that Day 1 joke votes are perfectly acceptable!

Phantom, darling, I was referring only to Mira and the circumstances of her vote, plus my hunch that went along. I was annoyed, I didn't think she was guilty.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Un-reps, who would you like to see lynched toDay?

Phantom.

Class time. Gotta go.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Un-reps, who would you like to see lynched toDay?

For lack of anything better, I'd stick with one on the Sally-Lottie-phantom group.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now this looks a bit odd indeed. Why to run on defence of Boro on such a minor point? I mean the wolves oftentimes feel the threats to be more major than they are (everyone who has been a wolf knows that) and thence they feel the need to defend themselves or their friends in situations where no specific “defence” is needed (see the “confused” smilie there).

That comment from Nerwen doesn't seem like much to worry about. I don't see it as 'running to the defence' of Boro.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Interesting point from Lommy. I do belong to those people who think we can lynch a villain on D1 in a normal game, and that those who diss D1’s are more often than not villains themselves (villains love randomness – or talking about the randomness of D1 - as it leaves no trace to them)

I hate to keep coming back to it, but that's what I dislike about tp's arguments in favor of Sally's and Lottie's votes: that it doesn't matter because you won't know anything by the end of Day 1 anyway.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Why is everyone focusing on either giving the phantom power or negating him? can't we just treat him like a normal representative.

Easier said than done, but you're right.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

So here Inzil is basically repeating Boro's post about balancing phantom with others, even down to the same suggestion of people: Boro and Lommy. I don't know why, but I don't like the implications of this. Of course, he does also mention Wilwa, but he's still mentioning the same thing. If we make phantom the centre of the game we won't be able to catch any elves.

I liked what Boro was coming out with at the time. Maybe that's why it looks similar.

x/d with all since 256