WW LXXX: It's About Time!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Yes but it wasn't only that - it's also that she actually repeated yesterday that she felt bad about how he was lynched. To me it didn't look like a wolfish thing to do - I mean, why draw more attention to yourself by defending your dead fellow?

Wilwa's been known to make some rather rash statements in the heat of the moment before, though. I mean last game she (then a wolf) went on about how nobody should reveal because it would make it too easy for the village.

About Greenie and skip: I can hardly judge them for voting the same way I did, but I don't like the fact that neither of them seemed to pay attention to my reservations.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

On day 1 Boro made those armpit pickle jokes, saying armpits are ordinary if shaved. As far as I've seen, he tends not to shave his, so my initial thought was "Hey is he claiming to be a gifted?", but I wonder if the wolves would actually have fallen for that, given that he often drops gifted hints on day 1 (especially if he isn't one).

Not "often". Always. But they didn't kill him on Night 2 anyway.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

He didn't want to lynch Fea, me, or Pitch, and his top suspects (clarified on day 2) were sally, Lottie and wilwa. He saved Fea by voting EW. If the wolves wanted to go after the seer, Boro's death makes Fea look good.

Up to a point. If the wolves thought he'd dreamed EW, then he couldn't have dreamed Fea too, could he?

Originally Posted by Loslote

I'm inclined to think that Boro was more of a trailless kill, but who can fathom the warped minds of the evil?

Not just a trailless kill, if he was– the fact that he'd voted EW on Day One gives the pack a reason to kill him, regardless of anything else.

Originally Posted by Loslote

So, Eomer voted for Greenie, which was, at that point, a throw-away vote. No one had really expressed suspicion of her, and Vanilwuffin was by far the leading lynch candidate. This could well have been a wolf clearing his hands of what he knew to be a bandwagon against someone who wasn't a wolf. So far, Eomer does, in my opinion, look like a Big Bad Wolf.

Quite possibly. However his "vendetta" (if that's what it was) against the EW voters really would be foolhardy for a wolf– more so than anything Wilwa did.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Quite possibly. However his "vendetta" (if that's what it was) against the EW voters really would be foolhardy for a wolf– more so than anything Wilwa did.

Or it could be a double bluff. No one would expect a wolf to be that obvious, so his behavior, and him, are written off. Is Eomer known for being tricksy?

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Or it could be a double bluff. No one would expect a wolf to be that obvious, so his behavior, and him, are written off. Is Eomer known for being tricksy?

As an ordo or gifted he's generally pretty straight forward. Can't recall what he's like as a wolf, actually. I don't think he's been one for ages.

[A Little Green]

All right, I'm warning you all that I have to vote ridiculously early toDay, like in an hour or so.

Originally Posted by skip

Good night and may a lucky star shine on us!

ps. you know who I mean by us!

I think someone already pointed this out, but at least it seems I'm not the only one who found this quote more than slightly cobblerish.

Originally Posted by Agan

I just realised something (which I'm not going to speak about right now - hope that makes me seem more like normal me, ie. annoying, Greenie ) and am actually beginning to get somewhat bad vibes from Boro.

Actually more than the normal you this reminds me of somebody else I know.. Actually, in the light of Boro's death and what Agan said toDay about having got ranger vibes from him, what on earth is this about?

Originally Posted by Sally

All of Eomer's "cases" are flimsy enough, and I'm not the biggest fan of his lists, but I'm not sure he's not just an overeager ordo. Blah, indecisiveness.

Of course if he's lynched and is another wolf, I'll be epically cross, so for the sake of not semi-defending two wolves, I have to agree that he looks bad.

That and he really does.

Sally's decided indecisiveness about Eomer in this post looks a bit wolf-on-wolf-y to me. Or just wolvish.

Originally Posted by Sally

So what made her vote me over Elf? The fact that I was funny, it seems. Really? Elf's entire first (and only) post was a joke, whereas I'd made a joke and then nipped its misunderstanding in the bud. Not a lot, I'll admit, as I was busy, and I can't fault Agan for voting me for being quiet, but she voted me over Elf, who we now know is a wolf. Her flimsy excuse just happened to make me a better choice than Elf, who had less posts than me? I'm not buying it.

That is what I have a problem with, really. Not that she voted me, but that she voted me over Elf. Perhaps she was concerned that if she voted the Wolf-Warrior (to steal the clever title from Miss Nerwen) others would jump on? Could be. I'm just saying. It makes sense.

This is a very interesting point, actually. Agan explained herself pretty well (I don't have the exact quote right now), and now I'm flip-flopping between an innocent and sharp Sally and an evil Agan wriggling out of the accusation, and an innocent Agan and a Sallywolf trying to turn the suspicion from herself to Agan. Ouch. I don't know. But at any rate, that was a very interesting exchange.

Originally Posted by Agan

I know we shouldn't presume there are hints in the narrations, but it looks like Boro actually decided to protect one of the wolves. Interesting. When somebody goes through his posts (I would do it but my darlings might kill me), they should probably also pay attention to whoever he possibly found worth protection.

Now while I know she explained that this one was due to misinterpreting the narration, it still got me thinking.. Unless she is bluffing to have misinterpreted the narration (which, I think, is not something she'd do), this makes her look pretty good. Because if an Aganwolf would have thought the narration pointed to one of her pack being protected by the ranger, she wouldn't exactly point it out and encourage people to check who it was, would she?

Originally Posted by Agan

On day 1 Boro made those armpit pickle jokes, saying armpits are ordinary if shaved. As far as I've seen, he tends not to shave his, so my initial thought was "Hey is he claiming to be a gifted?", but I wonder if the wolves would actually have fallen for that, given that he often drops gifted hints on day 1 (especially if he isn't one).

Loved that argument. That is all.

Originally Posted by Sally

Also, silly me, I just saw/remembered that Lottie voted for Eomer. If they were packmates, she'd be headdesking pretty hard right now. I'm fairly certain she wouldn't wolf-on-wolf at that stage, not when Wilwa was such a certain lynch. There'd be no reason for it and I can't see Lottie doing it anyway.

I don't have time to go and check it right now so I ask: wouldn't voting for a packmate be an especially good idea if an innocent was a certain lynch?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I don't have time to go and check it right now so I ask: wouldn't voting for a packmate be an especially good idea if an innocent was a certain lynch?

Maybe, but if so, that would incriminate Eomer's voting for you more than my voting for Eomer. When Eomer voted for you, there was no support for that lynch. When I voted for Eomer, there was considerable support for his lynch. He would've been lynched if Pitchie and Sally hadn't both missed the DL.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Bit disappointed I'll hardly be here at all today, because it's obvious that I'd get plenty of action were I to stay. Lack of men in the village, and all that.

It would be futile to counter every point because the village is getting smaller and I know that everyone - including me - can look like a wolf. (Possibly not Fea, though; I tend to think Boro's slaying makes her look even better than she already did. The one person I feel pretty confident is innocent.)

I will, however, say to Sally that my vote for Greenie was certainly not 'throwaway', or 'random', or 'pointless'. I already had an uneasy feeling about her, and as explained just before voting I felt that she was trying to narrow the voting choice for the day down to Wilwa and Loslote. There were more votes still to come that day (I actually thought we were coming up to deadline and that more posters would be there any moment) so I think it was entirely reasonable and honest to vote for Green, as I was undecided about Wilwa/Loslote.

I will be back in a hour or two to give my thoughts on everyone, and then vote. Won't make it back afterwards as off on a jaunt to Amsterdam with a certain other Barrow-Downer (of impeccable repute).

[A Little Green]

There are two wolves among the following eight.

I don't think are wolves:
skip - I'm inclined to believe he's either innocent or a cobbler, both because of his behaviour and Boro's death.
Fea - Boro's death does point to her innocence, and while I don't trust her entirely I won't worry about her right now.
Agan - Her suggestion about the narration (that I talked about in my previous post) makes me think she's innocent.

I guess the wolves are then among:
Nerwen - Too smooth for me to say anything, could be either and I would never know.
Pitch - No idea at all! I know I'm rubbish at reading him, but I think I should give it a try and analyse him at some point. I don't have the time now. I'm kind of worried about how he slips by without anyone paying much attention to him even though he participates.
Sally - Worries me. Her point against Agan (yesterDay, the thing about why Agan voted her and not Elf-Wolf) looks like a wolf trying to turn the suspicion away from her furry self; her indecisiveness on Eomer looks like wolf-on-wolf or just wolf trying to keep their nose clean. She will probably get my vote toDay.
Lottie - Confuses me way too much right now. Half the stuff she does makes me think "Wolf!", the other half "Innocent!"
Eomer - I don't have that much on him, actually. Except that if Sally is a wolf I might think that he is one, as well.

[A Little Green]

All right, going for the best I've got..

++ Sally

Reasons in my previous post. Now I've got to dash.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Up to a point. If the wolves thought he'd dreamed EW, then he couldn't have dreamed Fea too, could he?

No, but he clearly voted for EW only because he wanted to save Fea.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Actually more than the normal you this reminds me of somebody else I know..

Actually, in the light of Boro's death and what Agan said toDay about having got ranger vibes from him, what on earth is this about?

The ranger vibes were only one single comment, and even that wasn't very serious, it just made me stop and think for a while.
But heck. I have no idea, either, what that comment is about. I remember it had something to do with the gifted vibes, and something with his jumpiness, but that's about as far as I can retrace my thought process.

Unless she is bluffing to have misinterpreted the narration (which, I think, is not something she'd do), this makes her look pretty good.

I don't need to bluff when it's 4am and I've had a few drinks. But you're right, I wouldn't lie about misreading something.