WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

Might be - though it would be rather odd to want to get lynched solely because of that (given that the one who comes/doesn't come back is picked randomly). Though actually it could make sense - the earlier he gets himself killed, the bigger the chance of getting Boro back with him (or proven to be false). Or maybe he was just generally aiming at being killed at some point, because obviously the Unicorn is just a random ordo until they die.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.

I definitely agree! I don't think I have the time to do that, I'll have to vote and be off in less than two hours and have a million other things to do meanwhile..

[A Little Green]

So, a list of sorts. Facts first. Looks like autume is a true seer and Rikae is a wolf. That leaves two wolves in the following eleven:

Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

I'm disinclined to think are wolves:
Nerwen - Usually I can never read her, but this time I'm fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Folwren - Her posts seem very genuine. Fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Phantom - Either innocent or a mastermind. I'm rather more inclined to think the former.

I'm confused about (okay, I'm confused about everyone, but these most of all):
Kath - Where is she, anyway? Can't form an opinion on this little evidence, but if I had to guess I'd say innocent.
Mira - Posts little, and when she does it's something that makes my head ache. I'd really like an answer from her to the question I asked earlier toDay. Other than that - she just confuses me, plain and simple. I would call her a cobbler if there was one.
Zil - Still can't get a read on that guy. Worrying.
Nienna - No idea.
Lalaith - She feels innocent, she is consistent, she is sharp and nice, and yet I can't shake off the thought that she is a wolf mastermind messing with my head.
Shasta - No idea. I've been wanting to look through his posts for a while now, I have a feeling there might be something interesting there.. The bad news? I still don't have time for that.
Sally - I get both innocent and wolf vibes from her. (Read: I have no idea.)

My best bet for a wolf (unfortunately only one):
Mac - Like I said in my previous post. I'll try to look for those Rikae quotes.

[A Little Green]

Are you guys kidding me? This is pretty much the most quiet early Day ever. My fellow Europeans, where are you? Well, at least I had Nerwen.

Anyway, I have to go now. I won't be back toDay, and like I said in the admin thread I'll miss all of toMorrow. While I'm away, will you catch us some more wolves? Please? I wouldn't mind if you tried Mac toMorrow. As for toDay, I think it's pretty obvious:

++ Rikae


See you the Day after toMorrow, provided that a) I'm still alive, and b) that the game is still on! With the best possible luck, the village could have won by then. (It would take a successful lynch toMorrow and Zeus choosing to revenge-kill and picking a wolf, but it's possible.)

[Folwren]

It has been quiet today. Considering what happened last night, I figured more people would be eager to post something. I got out of bed particularly early just to see what was going on.

How are we certain that Nerwen isn't a wolf? She was really at Nogrod's throat yesterday. But, then, a wolf probably would not make such a fuss against anybody because of the suspicion possibly placed on them later. A clever wolf might, and might be able to get away with it.

I wish Greenie were not gone. I'd like to know why she suspects Mac. He said this in post 620:

I'm getting uneasy about Wilwa, but I can't put my finger on why. I need to take a closer look at what she said when I get to it. Same with Inzil. And Nienna.

He expressed his concern again, later in thread, in post 632, when he lists out all the players to say who he suspects and the ones he suspects most are Wilwa and Inzil.

I'm going back to bed.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Folwren

How are we certain that Nerwen isn't a wolf? She was really at Nogrod's throat yesterday.

Yeah, because he was acting very suspiciously. I wasn't the only one to think so.

Originally Posted by Folwren

I wish Greenie were not gone. I'd like to know why she suspects Mac. He said this in post 620:

He expressed his concern again, later in thread, in post 632, when he lists out all the players to say who he suspects and the ones he suspects most are Wilwa and Inzil.

That doesn't really prove anything, and besides, she's already said why she suspects Mac:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish.

[satansaloser2005]

Okay, so let's recap yesterDay Evening.

Sally suggests that Hestia comes out and we test one of his/her dreams (with a more specific suggestion being the lynching of Nog). No one likes Sally's plan.

Apollo (Tum) is forced to come out at the end of the Day to save herself.

Nog is lynched to save Tum (and in a way to test her legitimacy).

Nog's role matches the role Tum was shown.

Tum is proven to be our true seer, and is now in danger because she had to come out.


Notice the bit where we followed my plan, except pretty much backward? Yeah, I'm just sayin'.

Also, I want to know why Nog had such a problem being lynched if he was the Unicorn. This was the best point for him to get lynched; the odds of him bringing someone back were the highest they possibly could be. (I know, he didn't get to come back, but I mean to say that any point after this his chances would have gone down.) Add that to his inability to participate *squishes* and I don't see the issue. Meh.

Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'. *snuggles Tum tightly, hopes the rangers love her enough to protect her properly and LISTEN TO ME for a change* Okay, I'm done here.

I have to go to church in a bit, and then I'll be with Phantom and Tum all day, but I'll see what I can do about looking into people a bit more. I've been really bad at concentration this game, hence more commentary and plotting than analyses.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'. *snuggles Tum tightly, hopes the rangers love her enough to protect her properly and LISTEN TO ME for a change* Okay, I'm done here.

Oh yeah, because the seer is in so much danger with two rangers about.


Just wanted to apologize, people. Everything that's gone wrong has been my fault, from picking the wrong kills to getting myself dreamed of. I really have no idea why people consider me such a formidable player; I'm just an idiot.

[Lalaith]

Morning all. Firstly I'd like to give kudos to our Eros/Artemis duo, a successful save and a wolf-kill, a very impressive record indeed.
Secondly, [Reallife] I am out at a wedding and won't be around much at all [/Reallife]

Luckily there's very little debate about who to vote for which is handy.
++Rikae

Just in case I don't get back on toDay.

Also, I don't have time to analyse wilwa today, I'm glad Nerwen is but perhaps someone else can do it too - no offence Nerwen but its good to get two perspectives when we don't know who to trust. That might give us some ideas for toMorrow.
Also, Tum will have had another dream so more may be revealed later today I expect.
One thing I did have time to do yesterday is try to make sense of Day 3 voting.
Nog --> Lottie
Greenie --> Nog
Lal --> Lottie
Zil --> Tum
Wilwa --> Tum
Mira --> Phantom
Mac --> Lottie (3)
Rikae --> Tum
Nienna --> Tum (4)
Tum --> Rikae
Sally --> Nog (2)
Lottie --> Nog (3)
Phantom --> Nog (4)
Folwren ---> Lottie (4)
Nerwen ----> Nog (5)
__________________
Non-voters - Shasta and Kath

I think that's right, but please feel free to check my tally to make sure it's correct.

[satansaloser2005]

Aso, Tum, did you catch us a wolf last Night? *is hopeful*


Really going now. Back later.

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day Two.

408. We shouldn't take too much notice of what Boro-Hermes said, as he might be false. "Speculates" on why he was killed. (Wolves enjoy doing that, sometimes.) Doesn't get the "Hades-hints" that some players saw in Mac's posts. Doesn't like reasoning in Steve's self-defence; favours lynching him. Says the "Cobbler" reference in the Hestia role-description is just a mistake by Glirdy. Now agrees with Nog that my "Hades" comment could have been a hint.


#436. Suspicion-list. Lalaith, Kath, Rikae and I look good. Tum, Nienna, Zil, Lottie, Mira and Shasta are under her radar. Is "confused" about Sally, phantom, Folwren, Greenie, Nog and Eonwe. Might vote for the last-named.

Comment: Generally, wolves distribute their fellows amongst the categories; this is a minor argument against Lalaith and Kath being wolves.


#439. Left Mac off list; corrects this and says he should be in her "okay" category, because she doesn't thinking he was hinting. Tells tum BG's "good looks" remark is probably a hint.

#445. Tells the phantom that, contrary to his belief (#443) she did not say he was "touchy". Tells tum again about the Aphrodite hint.


#456. Votes Eonwe.

General Comments:Still not that much to go on; link to Mac possible, though. So far, Wilwa seems to have been careful to leave a small trail. I wonder what tipped Lottie off?

EDIT:X'd with Sally, Lal and Sally again; added comment.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Also, I want to know why Nog had such a problem being lynched if he was the Unicorn. This was the best point for him to get lynched; the odds of him bringing someone back were the highest they possibly could be. (I know, he didn't get to come back, but I mean to say that any point after this his chances would have gone down.) Add that to his inability to participate *squishes* and I don't see the issue. Meh.

Well, Greenie and I both think he was trying to get lynched, and that's why he was acting so weird. I know he kicked and screamed a lot on the way to the gallows, but maybe he thought that was called for.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Oh, did I mention? MY PLAN WAS FLIPPING BRILLIANT AND WOULD HAVE SAVED OUR SEER! *chills* I'm. Just. Sayin'.

All right, yes, you win. Only may I point out that tum would have been forced to reveal regardless of whether we'd agreed to your plan or not?

EDIT:X'd with Zil.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

The wolves have killed Lottie, bye bye, Artemis (Hunter), rest in peace with the knowledge that you have slain the mighty Hera. That means, bye bye to you too Wilwa, serves you right....witch!

Let day Commence!

Edit: And checking the Admin thread, this means Zeus, PM a name to Glirdan and choose to either kill, protect, discover person's role, or cast extra vote by Days end.

Well, done, Artemis! You did your task well. I wonder what Zeus will decide to do? Getting a Seer dream would be the most productive, especially since he's now on the side of the village. That is, of course, unless he's bloody sure of another wolf.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Wow. Cheers Lottie! What I'm wondering about right now, though, is why the wolves picked her. She had dropped a rather clear Hunter hint on Day 2id the wolves a) miss or forget that, or b) think she was double-bluffing to avoid being Night-killed (or for some other reason), or c) have something rather more complicated in mind?

Lottie does seem like an odd choice. She had garnered a fair amount of suspicion on her own, and could well have been yesterDay lynch. I wonder if she may have said something that made them exceptionally nervous yesterDay.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Also, concerning Poseinog's death.
Unless I have misunderstood something, the fact that he didn't come back must mean that Glirdan picked either a wolf or a false seer to be brought back with him - and since we had not killed a wolf yet, it must logically follow that Boro was picked and was the false seer. Which, in turn, would make autume the real seer, which, in turn, would confirm Rikae as a wolf, which, in turn, would mean we'll have two wolves dead after toDay. (An addition: we also have two seers who both know whether they are true or false.) I kind of like all that. On the down side, though, even after Rikae we still have two wolves (Hades and Hephaestus) to find.

I don't think there's any question Tum is one of the real Seers. Nog's death proved it for me. And the fact that she's the real one ought to be a good clue to Hestia: DON't leave us any clues about your dreams if you picked Boro.
And two wolves are not good, but they're better than four, at least.

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish. (I'll try to bring up actual quotes soon, I have a horribly busy day but I'll try anyway.)

It's certainly possible. Rikae is both nervy and experienced enough to do some convincing wolf-on-wolf. I don't know about Mac though. My wariness about him has gradually been diminishing over the last Day or two, but he does need some scrutiny.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

I think Nog was trying to get lynched just so he could bring any innocent back. If any one had come back, they'd have done so as an ordo, wouldn't they? And there was a 2/3 chance he would have been successful and brought back either BG or Steve. Three known innocents running around would have been such a headache for the wolves.

It is very quiet, considering all the drama. I'm waiting for what Tum can tell us toDay about her latest dream. Let's just hope it wasn't Lottie or Wilwa. Also, Tum should have had one more dream in addition to Nog and Rikae, I think.

x/d with all since # 874

[Inziladun]

++Rikae

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day One.

#22. Banter. Comments on Boro's post (#19), discusses game mechanics with regard to the Lovers. Is unsure why Boro has singled Zeus out.

Comment: May be trying to persuade the remaining Lovers that it's in their interests to turn cobbler. As Boro's post contained obvious Seer-hints, it may also be Wolfwa had noticed this and was hoping to draw him out as to who he had dreamed.


#26. Thinks that Boro's "allied with almighty Zeus" line referred to phantom as Hera.


#35. Accepts Rikae's suggestion that the phrase simply referred to the village.


#38. Will check out roles.


#46. Lists roles.

#50. Explains Sally's statement (#44) that there are "essentially ordo" roles in the game.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

Unicorn is like an Ord, something only happens with their death. Persephone and Aphrodite are like Ordos until they've been found (and will remain so if their matches die before finding them). Mytho could become an Ordo if they choose certain people. The Cursed is like an Ordo until (if) they get chosen by the Wolves.

Comment: Possibly a subtle attempt to influence the Cursed and Lovers?


#63. Talks about the Lovers' alignment; ponders the meaning of the "cobbler" reference in the Unicorn role-description.


#65. More about the Lovers.


#70. Answers a question by Nog about the rules.


#178. Doesn't want to discuss False Seer; says Lover-talk has taken up too much of the Day. Says Boro's and my own "hints" wereprobably just banter. Doesn't want to lynch Eonwe.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

But if he's the Cursed we shouldn't be killing him. Well, there is another option for what he could be doing (to help the village). But if I'm right than me saying it could kind of ruin it, so I'll stay quite for now.

Considers whom she'll vote– BG for lack of participation, or Mac for claiming Boro's "Zeus" remark was a Lover-hint, as this "makes no sense".

Comments: Had Wolfwa bought the theory that Eonwe was the Cursed? If so, it seems her packmates talked her out of it.


#182. Says that the narration would have to reveal the Cursed's role, just not whether he's been turned.


#187. Might vote for Blind Guardian; will not vote for Boro or me, nor for Eonwe since he might be doing something "awesomely helpful". Will probably not vote Mac, as he makes her at most "uneasy".


#196. Doesn't know who to vote.


#201. Votes for Blind Guardian.


General Comments: No names, no pack drill. The only living players she mentions at all are me and Mac. She suspects the latter, but in a non-committal way. I'd not like to guess, at this point, if it was wolf-on-wolf or not.

EDIT:X'd with Foley.