WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You must be right– unless "Cobbler" means one of the shifting-alignment roles. Or is it just left over from an earlier version of the rules? But the odds are against tum having picked the Unicorn correctly by chance, anyway.

–And there goes my theory that Nog was trying to get lynched on purpose, so as to die before he could bring a wolf back (didn't read the Unicorn role-description properly).

I believe the Cobbler there is just a leftover. I definitely hope so. And I agree about tum. Yay for Gifted doing their job! As for Nog - I considered that as well before I took a second look at the role definitions. I wonder - could he have wanted to die rather sooner than later for some other reason? He did seem rather suicidal at times. Like, maybe thought he could do the dying when there are bigger chances for him to bring back an innocent and himself (ie. before we have lynched wolves that would make it more probable for no one to come back)? Don't know if that makes sense though.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I wonder - could he have wanted to die rather sooner than later for some other reason? He did seem rather suicidal at times. Like, maybe thought he could do the dying when there are bigger chances for him to bring back an innocent and himself (ie. before we have lynched wolves that would make it more probable for no one to come back)? Don't know if that makes sense though.

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I suppose he might have been hoping to bring Boro back– though I'd have wanted some indication first that Boro was in fact the true Seer, if it had been me.

Might be - though it would be rather odd to want to get lynched solely because of that (given that the one who comes/doesn't come back is picked randomly). Though actually it could make sense - the earlier he gets himself killed, the bigger the chance of getting Boro back with him (or proven to be false). Or maybe he was just generally aiming at being killed at some point, because obviously the Unicorn is just a random ordo until they die.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Anyway, somebody had better go through Wilwa's posts.

I definitely agree! I don't think I have the time to do that, I'll have to vote and be off in less than two hours and have a million other things to do meanwhile..

[A Little Green]

So, a list of sorts. Facts first. Looks like autume is a true seer and Rikae is a wolf. That leaves two wolves in the following eleven:

Kath
Mira
Zil
Nienna
Nerwen
Folwren
Lalaith
Shasta
Mac
Phantom
Sally

I'm disinclined to think are wolves:
Nerwen - Usually I can never read her, but this time I'm fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Folwren - Her posts seem very genuine. Fairly convinced she's not a wolf.
Phantom - Either innocent or a mastermind. I'm rather more inclined to think the former.

I'm confused about (okay, I'm confused about everyone, but these most of all):
Kath - Where is she, anyway? Can't form an opinion on this little evidence, but if I had to guess I'd say innocent.
Mira - Posts little, and when she does it's something that makes my head ache. I'd really like an answer from her to the question I asked earlier toDay. Other than that - she just confuses me, plain and simple. I would call her a cobbler if there was one.
Zil - Still can't get a read on that guy. Worrying.
Nienna - No idea.
Lalaith - She feels innocent, she is consistent, she is sharp and nice, and yet I can't shake off the thought that she is a wolf mastermind messing with my head.
Shasta - No idea. I've been wanting to look through his posts for a while now, I have a feeling there might be something interesting there.. The bad news? I still don't have time for that.
Sally - I get both innocent and wolf vibes from her. (Read: I have no idea.)

My best bet for a wolf (unfortunately only one):
Mac - Like I said in my previous post. I'll try to look for those Rikae quotes.

[A Little Green]

Are you guys kidding me? This is pretty much the most quiet early Day ever. My fellow Europeans, where are you? Well, at least I had Nerwen.

Anyway, I have to go now. I won't be back toDay, and like I said in the admin thread I'll miss all of toMorrow. While I'm away, will you catch us some more wolves? Please? I wouldn't mind if you tried Mac toMorrow. As for toDay, I think it's pretty obvious:

++ Rikae


See you the Day after toMorrow, provided that a) I'm still alive, and b) that the game is still on! With the best possible luck, the village could have won by then. (It would take a successful lynch toMorrow and Zeus choosing to revenge-kill and picking a wolf, but it's possible.)

[Folwren]

It has been quiet today. Considering what happened last night, I figured more people would be eager to post something. I got out of bed particularly early just to see what was going on.

How are we certain that Nerwen isn't a wolf? She was really at Nogrod's throat yesterday. But, then, a wolf probably would not make such a fuss against anybody because of the suspicion possibly placed on them later. A clever wolf might, and might be able to get away with it.

I wish Greenie were not gone. I'd like to know why she suspects Mac. He said this in post 620:

I'm getting uneasy about Wilwa, but I can't put my finger on why. I need to take a closer look at what she said when I get to it. Same with Inzil. And Nienna.

He expressed his concern again, later in thread, in post 632, when he lists out all the players to say who he suspects and the ones he suspects most are Wilwa and Inzil.

I'm going back to bed.

-- Foley

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Folwren

How are we certain that Nerwen isn't a wolf? She was really at Nogrod's throat yesterday.

Yeah, because he was acting very suspiciously. I wasn't the only one to think so.

Originally Posted by Folwren

I wish Greenie were not gone. I'd like to know why she suspects Mac. He said this in post 620:

He expressed his concern again, later in thread, in post 632, when he lists out all the players to say who he suspects and the ones he suspects most are Wilwa and Inzil.

That doesn't really prove anything, and besides, she's already said why she suspects Mac:

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Now I might be way off with this, but I'm getting worse vibes from Mac again. Partly because he's being overly nice to me (makes me think he's trying to mess with my head because I suspect him - he would know that it's always harder to suspect someone who is quite convinced you are innocent). Partly because of the Hades thing that was discussed quite much on Day 2. And partly because I got the impression, when reading over yesterDay with the knowledge that Rikae is a wolf, that her sudden suspicion of him (after defending him for the first couple of Days) seemed wolf-on-wolf-ish.

[Nerwen]

Wilwa, Day One.

#22. Banter. Comments on Boro's post (#19), discusses game mechanics with regard to the Lovers. Is unsure why Boro has singled Zeus out.

Comment: May be trying to persuade the remaining Lovers that it's in their interests to turn cobbler. As Boro's post contained obvious Seer-hints, it may also be Wolfwa had noticed this and was hoping to draw him out as to who he had dreamed.


#26. Thinks that Boro's "allied with almighty Zeus" line referred to phantom as Hera.


#35. Accepts Rikae's suggestion that the phrase simply referred to the village.


#38. Will check out roles.


#46. Lists roles.

#50. Explains Sally's statement (#44) that there are "essentially ordo" roles in the game.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

Unicorn is like an Ord, something only happens with their death. Persephone and Aphrodite are like Ordos until they've been found (and will remain so if their matches die before finding them). Mytho could become an Ordo if they choose certain people. The Cursed is like an Ordo until (if) they get chosen by the Wolves.

Comment: Possibly a subtle attempt to influence the Cursed and Lovers?


#63. Talks about the Lovers' alignment; ponders the meaning of the "cobbler" reference in the Unicorn role-description.


#65. More about the Lovers.


#70. Answers a question by Nog about the rules.


#178. Doesn't want to discuss False Seer; says Lover-talk has taken up too much of the Day. Says Boro's and my own "hints" wereprobably just banter. Doesn't want to lynch Eonwe.

Originally Posted by Wilwa

But if he's the Cursed we shouldn't be killing him. Well, there is another option for what he could be doing (to help the village). But if I'm right than me saying it could kind of ruin it, so I'll stay quite for now.

Considers whom she'll vote– BG for lack of participation, or Mac for claiming Boro's "Zeus" remark was a Lover-hint, as this "makes no sense".

Comments: Had Wolfwa bought the theory that Eonwe was the Cursed? If so, it seems her packmates talked her out of it.


#182. Says that the narration would have to reveal the Cursed's role, just not whether he's been turned.


#187. Might vote for Blind Guardian; will not vote for Boro or me, nor for Eonwe since he might be doing something "awesomely helpful". Will probably not vote Mac, as he makes her at most "uneasy".


#196. Doesn't know who to vote.


#201. Votes for Blind Guardian.


General Comments: No names, no pack drill. The only living players she mentions at all are me and Mac. She suspects the latter, but in a non-committal way. I'd not like to guess, at this point, if it was wolf-on-wolf or not.

EDIT:X'd with Foley.