WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[autume98]

Did I miss something? How do we know Hestia is Seer?

[Inziladun]

Nice! No wolf-kill and possibly two legitimate Seers. I do tend to lean toward Boro being the false one at this point.

A few thoughts about last Night:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nope, don't really buy the theory that Autume's a wolf.

Don't buy the theory that Mac's a wolf.

Definitely don't buy the theory that Steve is a wolf.

I, however, am the wolfiest wolf that ever howled at the moon, therefore:

++Rikae

Let's just take this as an admission and lynch her. Any takers?

Originally Posted by autume98

Classic! Can I just say I really like your vote.

I can totally see why you did it though. No one has jumped out at me as a wolf.

A pointless vote on Day 2 meets your approval, does it?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

For my own part, I do think the fact that the Seer voted Steve while making the cryptic "neg 4" remark– and got killed in the Night may be significant. I've said why I don't think Boro actually dreamed an Eonwolf, but if such he is, it might be enough if the pack thought he had.

Well, that "Neg 4" bit was what in the end induced me to vote for Steve. I couldn't see why Boro would have said something so emphatic unless he knew something (or thought he did).

Originally Posted by autume98

I'm thankful for the more time we had toDay, and then this idea hits me. Why not lynch someone else, and have the Hunter go after Eonwe. If he dies than we know he's a wolf. The big flaw we'd have to pull this all of in nine minutes, and the Hunter would have to see this post. So basically a bad plan this late toDay.

This looks like a ploy to get two innocents lynched. You yourself kept saying over and over you thought Eönwë was innocent. Yet you were ok with the Hunter killing him?

And toDay:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

And further development on this theme - both Mac and Nogs seem to have stopped going for each other and both turned their sights on Lottie. I need to look at her more closely myself, I don’t think we’ve ever played together so I don’t have a real feel for her at all.

That's interesting. Mac also stated yesterDay he would not be voting for Nog.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Nogrod, lots of your reasoning this morning seems sensible to me (result of a good night’s sleep?) but this I would query quite strenuously:


Actually , unless I have really misunderstood your point, it is not general knowledge that any of them were innocents except Eonwe. How do YOU know? It is a shame that you're not around to answer this...

Another interesting observation. I'd also like to hear his explanation of that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

#565 revisted

Nogrod's Guide to Suspicious Behaviour

1. Jumping on bandwagons


2. Not jumping on bandwagons



3. Voting for known innocents


4. Not voting for them



5. Looking for alternative candidates


6. Not looking for them



Nogrod's Fork sure has a lot of tines, hasn't it?

There seems to be a good deal of truth in this. It seems as if anyone can be suspicious to Nog in this game, for any reason, depending on the moment.

Originally Posted by autume98

Let me try this again. Am I happy that an innocent is dead. No. I just felt that his innocence proved the reason I voted for BG. Which just happens to be why people were going after me yesterDay.

However, like I said, you were on board with the Hunter killing him.

Originally Posted by autume98

Did I miss something? How do we know Hestia is Seer?

Said so in the narrative.

x/d with Rikae

[the phantom]

First, Nog is flailing again.

Lottie and Nerwen already pointed out many problems with his arguments, and as far as his vote is concerned... Sorry, but after the events of Day 2, Lottie is about as innocent a person as we have around here. (And no, I'm not going to explain that remark, so don't ask. If you view me as innocent then just take that one on faith.)

Mac, in answer to you- due to the way this village is set up (it's very unique with all the gifted roles and the like), I am playing in a much different mode, particularly early on. Now that we're three days into the game I imagine I'll normalize a bit (as far as suspecting people), but my first two days was primarily trying to identify gifteds I could work with and not lynch them rather than looking so much for suspects, especially with all the people who could swap affiliations. Frankly the village was too large and complex, and I wanted to wait until we were at a more managable number to really roll my sleeves up. And hey- I like where we stand, and I feel I have a bead on a few roles.

Originally Posted by Mac

Replying to my question, he pulls Nienna out of his hat and is willing to shoot in the dark with Lottie.

Nienna wasn't completely out of a hat. Out of the low posters (Kath, Meeper, Sally, and Folwren) she was the one I had the least feel for (I had said specifically earlier that I liked Folwren and Meeper), and I was keen to take a shot at a submarine since I figured I might not get a feel for them at any point anyway. And as far as Lottie goes, I only was willing to take a shot at her until she showed up, at which point her defense completely took her off the table so far as I was concerned.

And your quotes of me where I'm letting you take the lead and I'm "keeping clean"- instead read them as me trying to say, "Hey, Mac, seriously, I'm on board with you. I trust you. Make the call." Not to mention that doing such a thing isn't "keeping clean" at all, but quite clearly letting someone else take the risk. Honestly, who exactly is going to be fooled by such completely obvious posturing?

And the reason there was no mention of Nog any more was because you said you wanted to give him another day! Once you said that I left him alone so far as I remember. Fact is I thought you were innocent and also thought I had your possible role narrowed quite far down, and was attempting to come on board with you. And no, I'm not putting you at increased risk by saying that, as everyone is gifted at this point.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

This looks like a ploy to get two innocents lynched. You yourself kept saying over and over you thought Eönwë was innocent. Yet you were ok with the Hunter killing him?

That was an illogical plan that came to me as I was typing. It wasn't a ploy. It would've been a ploy if I pushed for it. In the end I negate it. With what u pointed out I would've negate it after that too. I don't want to lynch innocents.

I am beginning to wonder about Rikae's vote. I know I made a comment about it, but the first sentence was all said in fun...nothing was meant by it. My second line was about the fact that I wasn't sure who guilty at the time. Even then I didn't deem it appropriate to throw away my vote. I would take a look at her, but I have to be at work. If no one else does before I get back then I will.

[satansaloser2005]

I think the only one who wants to take a look at Rikae is Mac.


In seriousness now, I think Tum's being a squirm nugget. (Yes, nuget. Shut up.) She seems very frustrated misunderstood new kid but it's not frustrated misunderstood innocent new kid. Her comments on Steve (despite her attempt to clean them up) and her general lack of proper....anything?....make me think that she is in fact a wolf (or evil on some level, or just plain not out for village victory like I am, and I don't like people who disagree with me ).


I still think my Hestia plan is valid. Not only do I think it would be nice to know that Hestia is te false seer (or the real one, if that's the case), I also think Nog's guilty. Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't make that very clear in my original Nog plan post, but he's either unable to help the village -not his fault, but dying and revealing information could help us out considerably- or he doesn't want to help the village. Either way, let's get rid of him and make him as useful as possible.

[Rikae]

autume, if you want to try to get me lynched, that's all well and good, but can I just ask that you don't use chatspeak while doing so? That would really be adding insult to injury.

EDIT: X'd with Sally - more insults, hey.

[the phantom]

lol, Rikae, r u serius?

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by the phantom

lol, Rikae, r u serius?

Glirdan, I would like to use my assassination power on Phantom. What? I don't have any? Bah.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Rikae

EDIT: X'd with Sally - more insults, hey.

That wasn't meant in a rude way. That was meant in a way I can't put on the Downs. See the dude? He's....well he's very....never mind, you get it.


EDIT: x'd with Phantom. I will smite thee with an epic smite (if I had such skills)!

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Sally, underlining mine

I still think my Hestia plan is valid. Not only do I think it would be nice to know that Hestia is te false seer (or the real one, if that's the case), I also think Nog's guilty. Yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't make that very clear in my original Nog plan post, but he's either unable to help the village -not his fault, but dying and revealing information could help us out considerably- or he doesn't want to help the village. Either way, let's get rid of him and make him as useful as possible.

Hmm. While I'm not sure about Nog myself and while I think his death would shed some light on other things, I distrust Sally's idea of offhandedly killing him while he's not properly present. Like, not the idea itself so much, but the way she talks about it. Especially in the underlined part she sounds not only opportunistic but downright bloodthirsty. It's rather like she saw a great opportunity to get rid of Nog (ie. he's unable to put up a huge self-defense show) and decided to use it seemingly for common good. Now I believe an innocent Sally could certainly come up with something of that kind, but I'm not sure she'd introduce her idea quite like that.


EDIT: x-ed with Rikae, Nerwen, Sally and Rikae

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Hmm. While I'm not sure about Nog myself and while I think his death would shed some light on other things, I distrust Sally's idea of offhandedly killing him while he's not properly present. Like, not the idea itself so much, but the way she talks about it. Especially in the underlined part she sounds not only opportunistic but downright bloodthirsty. It's rather like she saw a great opportunity to get rid of Nog (ie. he's unable to put up a huge self-defense show) and decided to use it seemingly for common good. Now I believe an innocent Sally could certainly come up with something of that kind, but I'm not sure she'd introduce her idea quite like that.


EDIT: x-ed with Rikae, Nerwen, Sally and Rikae

Greenie, I think he's guilty anyway (or at least has a good possibility of being so). I also don't plan to act without him being here. Hestia could dream him toNight and toMorrow we could enact the plan if everyone likes. I'm not sneak attacking him.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Sally

I still think my Hestia plan is valid. Not only do I think it would be nice to know that Hestia is te false seer (or the real one, if that's the case), I also think Nog's guilty.

But Sally, if we lose Hestia in the process, that doesn't do us a lot of good, does it? Let's say Hestia's a true seer, and Nog is a wolf - best case scenario. He dies, and if he has a lover, said lover is on the side of the village with special powers. Still, as soon as the remaining wolves have a chance, they'll take her out. But what if he's a wolf's lover? By lynching him we'd give special powers to a wolf, who would certainly use them to take out Hestia, right? And by not lynching him, we wouldn't learn anything.
And if Nog is an innocent, we've flushed out one of our seers for nothing. Now, if Hestia got her powers by picking the remaining seer and we find she's the genuine article, we then know we have another seer we can trust anyway, but if she got them by picking Boro, we'll have flushed out our ONLY TRUE seer. Soo... I think Hestia should only reveal, if she does want to do that, if she picked the other seer. If she picked Boro, she should keep quiet, as she may be too valuable to sacrifice. Just my two cents.