WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[the phantom]

A rather pointless comment here, but if I had six votes in my pocket I might actually give Nog a try, primarily because he is stretching to make attacks I disagree with.

I might also give Boro a try since he has been so unusually absent, and I can't work with him the way I usually do, plus frankly I have no clue how to read a quiet Boro. Getting him out of the way might be a weight off at the least.

But yeah- obviously not enough votes to get either of them lynched.

EDIT: x-posted with many

Originally Posted by Nog

Also I'm pretty confused with the phantom's points... I do normally follow his train of thought quite clearly but now I just think he has the perfect opposite view from mine and I'm baffled.

Ask me a question and I'll try to answer it. What do you wonder about?

[Blind Guardian]

Nothing was posted here. Ignore me

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

All I can say is: it will hurt you if I was lynched.

Anyone who's not a wolf, who dies will probably hurt us ya know. I can say the same about myself, the question in this will be the degree of hurt. Cus right now I'd venture to guess that on a scale of 1 to 10...if I were theoretically up to be lynched, and I was, it would probably hurt the village about a 7. You, I'm pegging at a 5 so far.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Anyone who's not a wolf, who dies will probably hurt us ya know. I can say the same about myself, the question in this will be the degree of hurt. Cus right now I'd venture to guess that on a scale of 1 to 10...if I were theoretically up to be lynched, and I was, it would probably hurt the village about a 7. You, I'm pegging at a 5 so far.

That sounds seerish to me. Cause one seer is false. Or a wolf trying to look important.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

That sounds seerish to me. Cause one seer is false. Or a wolf trying to look important.

I can see where you're coming from, but I think there's a simpler explanation. Boro is saying that he's important. A 5 indicates that you'd be a loss, yes, but average loss. The Hunter, for instance, would be a loss of about 1 - we wouldn't have lynched a wolf, but that's what the Hunter was meant to do, die. The Seer would normally be a loss of about 9, but in this game, probably more of a 7 or 8. (This is, of course, my ranking. I have no idea how Boro'd rank roles.) You wouldn't have to be a Seer to hazard a guess that your role is about average - it's a safe guess. Most peoples' roles are about average.

Heh. This wasn't meant to be so long.

EDIT: xed since my last

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by autume98

If you find a purpose for day one other than what you mentioned you will have to share.

So far I got a whole lot of nothing.

First post.

Originally Posted by autume98

That's true. Didn't think about that. At the time though it is quite confusing.

I don't read much into those two.

Originally Posted by autume98

I second this! There has been some good discussion, but it also seem like there has been some dragged on discussion regarding the lovers.

I don't think the Seers should reveal. Obviously they should give some hints, confuse some wolves, and hopefully help out the town while they are at it.

I think I skipped over the Zeus comments so I'll have to go back and see if there is anything there.

Singles out a statement from Nog that she agrees with. Doesn't think the Seers should reveal. Even if one of them has a dream they later find is incorrect?

Originally Posted by autume98

I think it'd be good for Eonwe to comment on this. I personally am leaning towards him being innocent at this point. However am going to be keeping my eye on him.

Wants Eönwë to explain the Dionysus remark. As for him being "innocent", I don't think that was necessarily in question, unless she meant she didn't think he was the Cursed.

Originally Posted by autume98

I'm glad I'm not the only one who got confused! And a cheat sheet chart sounds like a really good idea. I think I might have to make myself one too.

This was in response to KeeperMira saying she needed a cheat sheet to keep the roles straight. A harmless enough remark in itself, I guess, but the tone just seems too glib, somehow.

Originally Posted by autume98

I was going to post the same thing. I'm so glad I made the list cause it made all this Zeus talk even more interesting. Is it just something to stir up the pot and add confusion?

Agreeing with me and Mira about not understanding Boro's talk of Zeus and Hera. She seems to do a lot of 'agreeing'.

Originally Posted by autume98

Looks like so far I don't have much as far as suspicions. The people that have hit my radar so far toDay are:

Boro - There was all the Zeus talk around him. However he generally confuses me so it probably means nothing.

Lottie - That might just because I'm on her radar so it probably is just a knee-jerk reaction to that. However she's also is on Nog's radar and I tend to trust Nog.

Mac - I'm not sure about him. I really can't put my finger on it, but it also might be that once again I'm on his radar so it probably means nothing.

Eonwe - I'd like to know more about this statement:


Everyone else seems to be ok or hasn't said a lot so really don't have much to go on.

On another note I talked to Sally and she said she's having internet that seems to be working sporadically.

List of people "on the radar". Interesting that she uses Nog as a reason to suspect Lottie.

Originally Posted by autume98

So now I'm not the only one who has suspicions of Mac. I really am beginning to wonder if some hints are going on. Granted it would seem to be pretty obvious that he's giving a hint to a fellow lover if that's what he were doing. Anyone have any thoughts?

Agreeing with me about Mac.

Originally Posted by autume98

At this time Mac is most suspicous in my book.

Self-explanatory. But then, very next post, responding to Mac:

Originally Posted by autume98

I am definitely with you on this one. I also know that we definitely see each other as enemies right now. As much as I have my suspicions about you I'm not sure I'm willing to vote for you just yet. Maybe it's because I feel the same way about the BG votes. It'd be an easy lynch and I don't agree with that.

She'd just said Mac was the 'most suspicious', then waffles and says she might not vote for him.

Originally Posted by autume98

As I was looking at my list I am wondering about wilwa and her post for BG.

I am also not sure about Boro. He sure did stir up the pot, but I'm not sure that he's a wolf.

Looking at my list of players no one is jumping out at me screaming wolf. I'm wondering if they are one of the quiet ones.

You mentioned Zil. Is there something that makes you suspect him or you just suspect him on principle?

Mac had asked her who she would vote for, if not BG. Says Wilwa because of the latter's post about BG (which post I'm not sure). Pretty odd, since tum herself voted BG in the end. and Mac is nowhere to be found there.

Originally Posted by autume98

I want to touch on a few of the items you mentioned. For the most part I agree with your innocent list. I say most part instead of all because I'm not in your innocent list.

I know I've played with Nienna but can't seem to remember how she plays. However as you pointed out she's a BG voter. I think some of the people who have voted for BG have been throwing their votes away.

Not sure what you meant by this: Greenie (the nagging Persephone-suspicion persists since it fits so well)

I think you make a good point about Keeper. Maybe something to look at.

As you pointed out Inzil is a BG voter.

And I wanted to touch on Nerwen. To me her comment seemed innocent, and I didn't see her defending herself as being tense.

This was a response to a list Mac made. Interesting that she now agrees with him quite a bit, where not long before he'd been 'the most suspicious in her book', and all that totally vanished.

Originally Posted by autume98

I hear you Nog! I keep thinking that I really do need to vote soon, but then this is just sooo interesting that I'm not ready to put my laptop away and call it a night. Not to mention I really need to look at who I want to vote for. Yet at this time I don't see any unity on the votes other than the ones for BG.

More agreeing with Nog, this time on his comment that he just couldn't bring himself to go to bed. Seems odd that she keeps singling him out like that.

Originally Posted by autume98

I think we should keep Eonwe around. If he turns then we can always lynch him the next day. Right?

Doesn't want to lynch Eönwë, but doesn't say why not.

Originally Posted by autume98

It seems as though one of the people I see as innocent is going to get lynched toDay. Out of the three with the most votes I see all of them as innocent. It doesn't seem right to vote for any of them.

The one I feel least inclined to vote for is Eonwe. Not sure who to vote for between BG and Nerwen. However if it came to where I had to save Eonwe I think I'd have to vote for BG. Sorry BG.

Says she saw steve, BG, and Nerwen as innocent, but apparently intends to vote for one of them. Still no further mention of the one who had been her surest suspect, Mac.

Originally Posted by autume98

So after making that post I think it's time for me to vote and go to bed.

++BG

And with no further ado, votes BG.

All right, so she used the fact that Wilwa and I voted for BG as marks against us, then did the same thing herself.
She came out strongly against Mac, and let that die completely with no explanation.
And the odd fixation on Nog....

If I'd been able to stay til DL I would almost certainly have voted tum instead of BG. Unless something changes, that's probably what I'll do toDay.

x/d with all since my last

[the phantom]

All right- time to decide my vote. The multi-vote getters I believe to be innocent, so....

Nerwen is the one I like the most. Definitely won't vote for her. Plus I believe she may be low enough that she would be a throwaway as well.

BG under most circumstances would definitely be my choice (due to play style and such), but as BG is very new (at least to me) and has according to what I'm hearing been lynched early on a regular basis, I'm going to attempt to spare her this time around out of courtesy, leaving me with...

++ Eonwe

Sorry, lad, but I just don't want to jump on the BG wagon. Not on Day 1. I want to give her a chance.

(x-posted with many posts)

[the phantom]

I feel really stupid for defending Eonwe and suspecting Nog for his suspicion of Eonwe, but then I VOTE for Eonwe.

This is one of those days I'd like to forget.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by the phantom

A rather pointless comment here, but if I had six votes in my pocket I might actually give Nog a try, primarily because he is stretching to make attacks I disagree with.

I would second this. His arguments do seem quite stretched, for example his suspicion of me would mean I have to go against both my role and even the spirit of the game.

edit: x-ed since last post.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

for example his suspicion of me would mean I have to go against both my role and even the spirit of the game.

Not at all... If you knew you were the cursed already in the beginning (as Glirdy said the cursed would know it) then it would be the most understandable leaning... some I know might have leaned with the village but I'm afraid most would have just died for getting to be a cursed wolf in the middle of the game...

And if the one knew it beforehand there would be no problem with the spirit of the game as the problem is in the rules...

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Not at all... If you knew you were the cursed already in the beginning (as Glirdy said the cursed would know it) then it would be the most understandable leaning... some I know might have leaned with the village but I'm afraid most would have just died for getting to be a cursed wolf in the middle of the game...

And if the one knew it beforehand there would be no problem with the spirit of the game as the problem is in the rules...

But isn't the Cursed meant to play on the side of the village until they become a wolf?

[Eönwë]

I really don't want to, but it looks like I'm going to have to vote:

++Blind Guardian

It's too close. I'm sorry BG.

[Loslote]

Ehem. If we lynch Steve and Steve is innocent, may I suggest we look at Nog? If I recall correctly, he was all for not lynching Steve, but leaving him be and lynching him if the Cursed was turned. This would not only effectively silence a potential innocent threat, it would also provide an extra layer of protection for the real Cursed.

Not to say that I think this is exactly how it played out and that Steve's as innocent as snow, but he does make good points, and if we hadn't lynched Steve toDay, it would've been a really really good plan for wolf!Nog. Just throwin' that out there.

EDIT: xed with people...

[Blind Guardian]

NO! I hate you!


That's not fair!