WW LLXVIII: Yar Har Har and a Bottle o' Rum

[Rikae]

Well, I was actually semi-serious about Eonwe - his posts do seem forced, and they aren't getting less so. At th' same time, Glirdan's suspicion doesn't really make sense or at least isn't explained well, and could be a fish's way o' bandwagoning on th' closest thing to a suspicion that's been voiced so far.
I'm opposed to lynching Blind Guardian toDay on principle, but her(?) singing be soon to become annoying enough to make me reconsider. Put a sock in it!

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Well, I was actually semi-serious about Eonwe - his posts do seem forced, and they aren't getting less so.

So you expect me to find it natural to speak about pirate topics and in the right dialect?



edit: double post by me. A bad sign. It be meanin' the ye be too quiet when ye shoud be talkin'.

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

At th' same time, Glirdan's suspicion doesn't really make sense or at least isn't explained well, and could be a fish's way o' bandwagoning on th' closest thing to a suspicion that's been voiced so far.

I'm just as confused by this. I didn't really see an explanation for why suspicion was cast onto Glirdan.

Here's my list for now. Obviously anything is subject to change.

Innocent:
Zil - so far I haven't seen anything that makes me suspicious of him
Nerwen - ditto
BG - I think that she was just being excited about the game. I could be wrong though. For now she is innocent though.
Rikae - I haven't seen anything that jumps out at me. Some have mentioned her bringing up the pack o' three. But not sure that this qualifies as suspicious. Maybe it's those people that are making a bigger deal out of this that are suspicious.
Mac - Same as Zil and Nerwen
Shasta - Same as Zil and Nerwen and Mac
Tum - Well obviously I'd find myself innocent.

Slightly suspicious:
Wilwa - mentions finds Glirdan slightly suspicious. Reason:

He tends to agree with people when he has somethin' sinister to mask. Though, him and I be often incorrect in our assumptions of one another, it still makes me uneased.

Eonwe - Seemed to jump on BG pretty quickly

Haven't seen yet:
Boro
Morsul

Edit: x-ed with Wilwa

[Morsul the Dark]

Well now... Apparently I didn't realise today was a day phase I was sure it was Night... Well... I hates tto do this but I hadn't planned on checking the downs today so I've only got a minute.

++Nerwen

Based on She's posted the most and With her Piratey talk confused me...(Me, confused... Shocker!)

[Macalaure]

I raise my eyebrow in BG's general direction for obstinate unhelpfulness.

I don't particularly like how Eonwe jumps on the first person to attract some suspicion. Sure, he had to vote early and had little to go on, but it seems like he is trying to find an excuse to vote somebody instead of attempting to find out who is actually evil. And having little to work with is not an excuse for not trying and picking the first best thing. Wilwa also has a good point about his defensiveness.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Arr, matey. This pirate went and got himself some education!

So anyway, here's what I'm thinking right now. I want to vote Morsul as per usual because his one post irritates me a bit, but I think that's probably knee-jerk. Eonwe is possible too but I need to go back and look at him a bit. Nerwen is fine with me for today, as are Rikae and Mac. BG is generally unhelpful - I don't really think it's a tell either way. My gut says that Zil is bad news but again, nothing to back that up. Wilwa seems sensible and I don't know about Glirdan. If I missed someone, they're under my radar.

[Rikae]

Eonwe, I don't think pirate lingo comes any more naturally to the rest of us. I could be wrong, though.
Eonwe is defensive, but I'm not sure it's a sign of fishiness. People seem a bit too quick to jump on him, too, which makes me wary. Glirdan has been latching on to what people say, and it's odd that Mac should suspect the latter on grounds that apply more to the former. Wilwa seems to be admitting the desire to fabricate a vote here:

Originally Posted by Wilwa

I really hope I can produce a fairly logical vote

but that may just be an unfortunate choice of words. I'm going to have to vote early toDay myself, and the discussion toDay has really not been helpful in wolf-hunting at all. BG and now Morsul are being especially pointless and I'm tempted to emulate Nog and lynch the least helpful. I'm the most suspicious of Glirdan and Eonwe, but it doesn't seem likely I'll hear enough to make an informed choice between them, and I doubt they're both evil. Bah.

[autume98]

Doesn't seem like much has happened since I last posted. Although Morsul did come and post a vote. His post wasn't very helpful.

Overall I don't see anything that is helpful in me making my decision on who to vote yet. I do agree with Rikae here:

Originally Posted by Rikae

BG and now Morsul are being especially pointless and I'm tempted to emulate Nog and lynch the least helpful. I'm the most suspicious of Glirdan and Eonwe, but it doesn't seem likely I'll hear enough to make an informed choice between them, and I doubt they're both evil. Bah.

[Rikae]

I have to vote now, and though I find Glirdy and Steve fishy, I don't feel like I have enough evidence to feel right about lynching either of them on Day 1, since Eonwe posts quite a bit in a (so far) awfully quiet game and I think it's been a while since Glirdan played...
So I'm just going to vote

++Morsul

Because if you're going to make a random vote, make a random vote, but explaining your vote in a way that seems to apply to another person (it seems as though he thinks he's voting for Blind Guardian)? Such laziness deserves a reprimand.

[Inziladun]

Givin' the sailor talk the 'ol heave-ho, are we?

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I be a-thinkin' that Glirdan be the mos' suspicious out o' th' lot o' ye, so 'e'll be gettin' my vote.

So far, e's jus' been latchin' on t' what's been said, an' twistin' it in 'is own way.

None o' ye seem completely fishy, but out o' ye, Fishdan be seemin' th' worst, an' th' mos' likely t' be workin' agains' us.


++Glirdan

Forgot to highlight, me thinks. Let's see. What exactly did Glirdan say?

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I says that I is in agreement with this here landlubberin' mud pup. Sumtins not right with that there Eonwe. The way hes a splittin' his mind about the little lass Nerwen and that there Guardian o' the Blind feller has me thinking. What if he's a murderous scumbucket who's tryin' to stick w' th' person who bes making the most sense in his mind? Or p'rhap he be one our mateys who be all confuddled in that brain o' his. I be keeping my eye on him....would keep both, but I lost me other one in a fight with some sea critters.

Hmm. Not putting any serious suspicion toward Eönwë. At least it didn't seem that way to me. Eönwë's reactions to that indeed seem overblown.

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Well now... Apparently I didn't realise today was a day phase I was sure it was Night... Well... I hates tto do this but I hadn't planned on checking the downs today so I've only got a minute.

++Nerwen[/B]

Based on She's posted the most and With her Piratey talk confused me...(Me, confused... Shocker!)

Not the best of reasons, there, obviously. A convenient way of sneaking in a vote you know won't be followed up?

Can't make it til DL, so I need to vote very soon.

x/d with Rikae

[Morsul the Dark]

Hmm... I don't like Nerwen Defendin' me, She knows I'm prone to vote somewhere else when she fills my sails with flattery! My piratey talk stinks

Also The Eonwe Wagon seemed wrong. I understand the one for me. But Eonwe from rereading wasn't that suspicious.

So when I have time I'll really look into her voters! for now, Off to Boston!...

Oh An' Captain I'd be much Obliged if you put up a Living Dead List Thank Ye.

[wilwarin538]

Okee. So yesterday sucked, though Day 1 bandwagons usually do.

Shall we look at votes? Yes we shall.

Eonwe -> Glidran
Morsul -> Nerwen
Rikae -> Morsul
Wilwa -> Eonwe
Inzil -> Eonwe(2)
Nerwen->Eönwë(3)
Mac->Eönwë(4)
Shasta -> Morsul(2)
Autume -> Morsul(3)
BeiGei->Morsul (4)
Glirdan -> Eonwe (5)
Elf-Warrior -> Eonwe (6)

If Morsul is guilty, then Glirdan likely is too, since he was the one who saved him there. So basically everyone who voted after me voted for someone who had votes already, Inzil doesn't look bad for it, Nerwen kind of. Mac kind of does though (in my opinion more then 3 votes for the same person in a row is a bad sign). Shasta looks really good, he split up the votes, which is nice, and if Morsul is guilty Shasta probably isn't. BeiGei's vote is interesting, since it made the tie, she's likely innocent if Morsul is guilty. Elf-Warrior's vote is kind of bad too.

Basically I don't like the way that looks. Everyone was copying each other's vote, and it just doesn't look nice. Right now, based on votes alone, Mac's, Glirdan's and Elf-Warrior's votes look the worse.

Well, now I have to go. It's my mom's birthday and the family is going out for breakfast. We have a lot planned today, but I'll try my hardest to get on as much as possible.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Zul: Post #13 IC talk. Says keep an eye on everyone. Post #21 Zul quotes Rikae quoting Nerwen saying that Blind Guardian is suspicious. He also quotes Eönwë as saying that he's suspicious of Blind Guardian. He summarizes who suspects who. I think he is a bit inaccurate.

Inaccurate, eh? Here's what those three said:

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Aye, I reckon I'll be keepin' a weather eye on ye an' young Blind Guardian.

Originally Posted by Rikae

'tis odd that Nerwen should be castin' suspicion on th' Guardian o' th' Blind, when it's this Eonwe fellow seems th' most false and tricksy o' the lot. It looks like 'e talks just so as he can say he did.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

That Blind Guardian a bi' suspicious if ye ask me. 'e sleeps when 'e should be awakin'. Maybe 'e be tired from a night o' killin'. An' th' same goes fer t'others that're still asleep as well. They should all be wakin' by now.

Obviously Eönwë was innocent, but at the time all that did look odd.

And as you noted, you voted for Eönwë yourself.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

Well, I don't think Morsul is suspicious, but I think Eönwë is somewhat suspicious. The thing about fish bein' still awake after a night of killing seems to me to be an unjustified application of the game mechanics to real life.

++Eönwë

Despite the fact that you'd made a pointed accusation against someone else shortly before you voted.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

I think the rule of three thing is no good. The odds of the first three being wolves is the same as any other group of three sailors. Personally, I find it suspicious a seasoned sea salt such as Nerwen would give that old fish tale any credibility. However, I have a bad feeling about Rikae's post #15. That smilied first sentence raises my internal warning bell. Yes, it could just be an innocent joke. But that isn't what my gut says. Gonna to review the thread afore I vote, but Rikae, I accuse you.

You changed your mind about Nerwen in your next post, but you seem to have totally forgotten about 'accusing' Rikae. And I, not Rikae, was your initial focus toDay.

[Boromir88]

Yar, har har, I be alive. I be thinkin' there was a bit more than jus' rum in thar drink, sumone must 'ave slipped somethin' sinister t' catch me off my wits! Which one of ye dogs did it! (And mind ye do it again for me?)

[Rikae]

EW, that smilied bit was actually kind of an inside joke from RL WW at our recent moot - Boro and Wilwa were there, they'll know what I mean.

I won't be around much for a while - I will be watching sports (that's right - I realize this is suspiciously out of character ) but when I return, I'd like to give the votes yesterDay a close look. Right now Inzil's defensiveness is making me uneasy, but at the same time. I'm not sure why so many people ended up voting for Morsul, since my vote was pretty clearly a throwaway - and indeed, one of those people was a cobbler. Shasta's "my only other option is Morsul" seems kind of out of place - I don't see why it should have been. Well, I'll be back in a few hours...

[Rikae]

I got distracted - the above should read "is making me uneasy, but at the same time, I'm aware that Inzil always makes me a bit uneasy."

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Wilwa

If Morsul is guilty, then Glirdan likely is too, since he was the one who saved him there. So basically everyone who voted after me voted for someone who had votes already, Inzil doesn't look bad for it, Nerwen kind of. Mac kind of does though (in my opinion more then 3 votes for the same person in a row is a bad sign). Shasta looks really good, he split up the votes, which is nice, and if Morsul is guilty Shasta probably isn't. BeiGei's vote is interesting, since it made the tie, she's likely innocent if Morsul is guilty. Elf-Warrior's vote is kind of bad too.

And just because you're the first one who voted Eonwe makes you look completely innocent?? I would beg to differ. If anything, all of us who voted for him should be under some suspicion today and I will not deny that those of us who voted later probably look more suspicious.

As for my vote, I had voted between the two people I thought the more likely to be guilty. As I've said, I've seen Morsul do this in more then one game and it usually turns out that he's innocent. However, I am still suspicious of him due to his vote for Nerwen. It just seemed completely out of place and the so called "random" vote with an explanation? Hmm....

But for me, who is really jumping out at me is Elf-Warrior. When I had voted yetserDay, I was under the impression that only Boro and I were the only two who had not voted at that point, thus making me think I had two options: 1) Break the tie or 2) Throw away my vote. I wasn't going to throw away my vote seeing I actually had some suspicions yesterDay. Then, eight minutes after I had voted and two minutes before deadline, EW pops up, votes Eonwe and completely sealed his fate. This smells very fishy to me..

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Rikae

EW, that smilied bit was actually kind of an inside joke from RL WW at our recent moot - Boro and Wilwa were there, they'll know what I mean.

Hehehe, the search for the disappeared 3rd packmate and Agan getting trapped by saying "I'm as much of a wolf as you are?"

Alright, so what have I gleaned so far.

1. autume death. Funny how it's the wolf-fishies ally again. Totally not me this time, I don't even think anyone (even me) could get that unlucky, to whack of their own cobbler night 1, 3 straight times.

However, one post I do find rather interesting is #53 she rather strongly defends Glirdan.

In response to Rikae:

I'm just as confused by this. I didn't really see an explanation for why suspicion was cast onto Glirdan.

And slightly suspicious of wilwa for saying something against Glirdan:

Wilwa - mentions finds Glirdan slightly suspicious.

The other 'slightly suspicious' person autume has is Eonwe. Defends a single person, keeps suspicion list quite small, I could see evil fishes thinking tum was the seer.

However, being the cultist, her posts should be read trying to signal the fishes to her role. Then again why would fish-Glirdan want to kill someone who was defending him? In these games he usually needs all the help he can get...with how lustful the rest of us are to see him hang.

2. I don't like Zil. Period. His reasons against Eonwe were wishy hog-wash. Eonwe was edgy, so that makes him evil? Huh? I thought it was standard for wolves to have much sweeter tone in their voices?

3. I think Mac mentioned the accumulation of Morsul votes to prevent the Eonwe bandwagoning, should be checked. Agree 100%.

Last game I partook in, I learned quite a bit of valuable info. Day 1, packmate Lottie was getting some suspicions, I casted a quick 2nd vote and bluntly said I was band-wagoning to start a "save Lottie from the bandwagon!" movement. It worked, and we giggled.

Although in this scenario, there is a bandwagon of uneasiness about the Eonwe votes, so lets bandwagon against this guy! It can look quite good for a wolf to be such a stout defender of an unjust bandwagoning. And, there was quite a bit of echoing sentiments to not bandwagon against Eonwe.

With that being said, I also know how easy it is to manipulate emotions on Day 1. And thus how easy it is to lead innocents to be like..."AHH bad bandwagon against Eonwe! Umm let me vote this creepy vote!" Then all of a sudden there's a bandwagon against that person. Long story short, I see the votes you're talking about Mac. But I'm also watching you and Wilwa. Capiche?

Summary. Feel the most comfortable with Glirdan. Limbo of trust and wariness with Mac and Wilwa. Slightly more suspicious of the, don't bandwagon Eonwe, vote Morsul entourage. Don't like Zil.

Edit: crossed with Rikae. This post legit took a while as I was suddenly bombarded by an apartment of people who thought it was a travesty that I haven't seen Mulan yet.