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Votes from yesterDay:
Lottie –> Pitchwife Blind Guardian –> Lottie Isabellkya –> Blind Guardian Shasta –> Blind Guardian (2) Paranoia -> Blind Guardian (3) Inziladun -> Blind Guardian (4) Wilwarin -> Sally Okee. So even though Lottie didn't vote for BG I think she looks pretty bad, cause she really pushed that bandwaggon. Izzy started it, but I don't think she looks as bad for it because it was the first vote and the reason made sense to her. Kind of the same for Shasta, though I don't like the way they both continued to pounce on BG. I mean I know it all happened in like 20 minutes, and that's not a lot of time to consider things, but still, I was able to figure it out in less time. Paranoia came in and did his (right?) own analysis of the situation and then voted, but pretty much just followed what other's were saying, so he makes me uneasy too . Inzil popped in and bandwaggoned, which everyone seems ok with, but I don't like it, he had been suspicious of Eomer and yeah he said BG's vote was poor, but then he disappeared for the next 20 minutes, and just popped in to vote without trying to get in on the discussion going on then or trying to help everyone figure out what BG was trying to say. I really dislike that. So basically everyone who voted yesterday looks bad to me. In order of how bad they look: Inzil, Lottie, Shasta, Para, Izzy. So a list then? Mostly based off of Day 1. After I post this I'll take a closer look at today to see if anything changes my mind on anyone. Inziladun – do not like. Vote was bad, and his convenient disappearing act for the last 20 minutes bugs me to no end. Paranoia – don't like vote yesterDay, at all. Pitchwife – uhm, no real opinion at the moment, will get back to him after reading through today. Loslote – I really don't like the way she kept going after BG, even though she didn't vote for her I see her as being instrumental in the whole bandwaggoning process, and to me it just seemed like she was set on getting her lynched and wasn't really willing to try and understand what BG was explaining. Isabellkya – first to vote for BG, but at that point she had a good reason too, since BG hadn't come on to explain her mistake by that point. Her continuing to go after her still urks me, but I think that was more her standing by her vote rather then trying to get other people to follow it. Shasta – kind of similar to Izzy, but he seemed to latch on to something promising and really role with it more then she did. That whole bandwaggon was because people didn't feel like taking a second and comparing the two lists, I did, and I very quickly understood what she had been saying, I'm sure other's would have as well. Shasta, Para and Inzil especially had the oppurtunity to really look into it, and none of them really seemed to want to (except maybe Para a bit since he did repost BG's list, but certainly Inzil didn't try) wintywinty – no oppinion. Rikae - fine with. So at this point I'd be willing to vote for Inzil, Lottie or Shasta. Now I'll look closer at today. x'ed with Pitch and Inzil
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Things I found interesting, and why:
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Underlined part: No, not true. I think she was heading out at the time? So she saw someone had made a list and in order to be sure she didn't forget anyone's name, and because there would already be a format, she just copy and pasted it and then rearranged the names, and did it to save time (and goofed). I've done it before (as an innocent, as a gifted, as a wolf, as an everything I'm sure), it's a time saver, not a sign of guilt. I had not noticed the crosspost. I suppose that makes you look a bit better. edit: x'ed with Pitch x 2
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Wight of the Old Forest
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Bedtime, and voting time.
++Paranoia If you're wondering why, you haven't read my posts toDay. I'm not comfortable with voting him before he's had a chance to respond, but given our different time zones, it can't be helped. He looks like the most suspicious of the BG voters to me, and I'm not that confident about voting anybody else. And if he's indeed a morph, he's a dangerous one, so get rid of him NOW. Good Night, and may the Great Bird of the Galaxy bless your planet.
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Ok, so I'm going to sleep early since I work in the morning.
I'm not going to vote for Inzil, because I have the feeling no one will go along with that. Ditto for Lottie and Shasta. So I'll go with my fourth option, though I wasn't originally planning on voting him, I'm willing to since I do find him suspicious and I'd rather not waste my vote toDay. ++Paranoia Good night, and good luck!
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I vote a wolf. I look bad. I don't vote the seer. I look bad. I don't bandwagon. I look bad. I do bandwagon. I look bad. I vote for someone I barely find suspicious. I look bad. I vote for someone I do find suspicious. I look bad. I'm thinking no matter, I'm gonna look bad. And the sucky thing is I'm really not bad! Uh. I know I should shut up now cause I'm probably not making things any better, but I'm really at a loss to what I should be doing right now... x'ed with Lottie again. Out of the 5 BG voters (I'm counting Lottie technically in there, since she helped push it along), 2 are under some real suspicion, and of the 2 I think Para looks worse (I said earlier that the cross post thing with Shasta made him look better). I think it's a pretty logical vote.
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Also: the spirits of Sallymorph and myself have come to an understanding in the afterlife, and she may be helping out with tallies and so forth.
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I'm getting an uneasy feeling about Izzy, and also seeing what appears
to be a link between her and... someone else. But we shall see. I do have a history of pretty much always suspecting her, so I'll have to do my best to be objective here: Day One #52 Banter, and this (I guess in response to Eomer's talk of wolves not drawing attention to themselves on Day 1?) Quote:
Obviously absolute statements are going to occasionally prove false in WW, but as a general rule, Day one lynches are often confused innocents who blunder out of carelessness while the wolves sit back and enjoy the show. Wolves love those kinds of Day Ones. Then again, I've argued with people who have written off Day 1's as useless, too, since that kind of apathy is unproductive. Still, that doesn't seem to be what Izzy's doing here. It seems more like a sly spreading around of potential guilt than a call to action. I always tend to "hear" a bit of a smirk behind Izzy's posts, which I tend to read as "evil", though. I could be wrong. #58 Tries to get Sally to elaborate on her suspicions. Could really be innocent or co-morphish equally easily, I think. #59 Asking about deadline. #74 Votes for BG for voting someone BG previously called "relatively innocent". I find this vote way too... itchy-trigger-finger-ish. It seems as though having an excuse to vote is more important to Izzy than finding the truth at this point. Izzy could have asked about it - after all, as she herself points out toDay, people can think in their heads - I would assume she would include BG among the "people" who might do so, instead of jumping on her immediately like this. Also noticed that Izzy doesn't yet bring up the "fabricated list" issue that she mentioned toDay. #79 Telling Lottie to refresh. #82 Posts BG's list showing Lottie as "relatively innocent". #89 Banter about pattern. #92 After BG says she copied Lottie's list - points out she had to have moved the name to "relatively innocent" from "most innocent". Day Two: #125 Says (in response to Shasta) that voting for BG didn't even have to depend on comparisons to her last game, but simply that she voted for someone she had called innocentish. #135 Fairly sensible, if waffle-y, talk about the possibility of a Wilwamorph voting for a Sallymorph on Day 1, plus some confusion about the narration. #141 Thinks the Assassin and the Defender know each others' roles. #164 Fairly defensive repsonse to Pitch's suspicions. Quote:
may, the question is - does Izzy realize that? Is she saying this in good faith? I have to wonder that if the idea of the list being "fabricated" was so important, she would probably have mentioned it yesterDay at some point. #180 Quote:
![]() just as long as I get my vote in", eh, Izzy? Not an innocentish attitude in my book at all. Claims she thought BG's vote may have also been a seer hint. I'm with Pitch on this - I don't buy it, plus, if she thought this, then she did the last thing an innocent should have done in jumping in with a vote for BG immediately! This comment could even be a bit of morphish honesty. Sometimes that is a good strategy when evil - makes one's arguments more solid - but in this case, it's incriminating whether true or false. I find the repetition of the "didn't vote because of the previous game" a little odd. There's plenty of reason to question Izzy's vote, regardless of that, and what she's doing kind of reminds me of the times I've been a wolf accused of doing something I actually didn't - focusing heavily on the part of the suspicions that don't apply while hoping the true guilt is overlooked. Yeah, Izzy's pretty suspicious, indeed. I don't see anyone more suspicious around, so: ++Izzy Edit: x'd with... speak of the devil! ![]() |
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You know, reading this over, Pitch, I'm finding you really intersting right now.
Let's start with your analysis of yesterday's votes and actions, and your, you know, overall willingness to attack someone who so far hasn't posted or said anything at all today. Yes, lets. I don't think I really have to defend myself on the BG vote; I put down why I voted her, reasons beyond the "omg the lists didn't match up" and I did indeed look at both lists; the explanation made absolutely no sense to me and it still doesn't, because the titles were different, and she had obviously reworked bits and pieces of it. There was simply no other conclusion I could come to in my mind. And I honestly think the person who looks the worse out of what happened in the last 20 or so minutes is Willwuffin, because no matter how I read her posts there it all felt like the same thing. "I really think BG is innocent but I'm not going to deign to tell you guys why I think so, despite how blatantly suspect she is being. I'm going to blithely throw my vote away on sally, and continue saying that even though I think BG is really innocent, I'm not going to meaningfully help her in any shape or form." On another note, when Shasta and Izzy showed up to defend themselves, you were readily willing to relent; you went from one to the next and then finally me, but as interesting as that is, you completely ignored Zul. It's one thing to vote an innocent with a reason and turn out wrong. It's another thing to vote an innocent without saying a bloody thing, being wrong, and skating by. Something's off there. Another thing is your basically list topping suspicion of Wilowil.. and yet you still vote me. Something's off there, considering you've basically link her with me/shasta/izzy as the definite member of whatever morphpack is on the ship. Care to explain why you voted me above the one constant amongst your conjecture? "Well well if you're a wolf you're dangerous!" Doesn't cut it. That is always a horrible reason, because you are basically bringing a justification into the game that boils down to "what if they're a wolf?" I am also not liking Willy's "wahhh the bandwagonners got off scott clean! wahhh why am I under suspicion!" posts. You won't deflect attention, Morph. Also, to those who are going "He was in the middle of the BG voters where he can skate on by!!!!" Really let me ask you; are you just trying to get on my nerves with that logic? Morphs, Wolves, and Mafia will vote in any order they please. And I don't really call it bandwagoning when someone can provide decent reasoning; bandwagoning to me is just simply voting for someone with an overall rehashed reason. But let's have a hypothetical situation. Let's say I was a morph. Would I have any reason to vote BG, or further add fuel to the fire when it looked like she was going to get lynched on her own anyway? Nope. It's like last game. Every post of her's added fuel to the metaphorical fire, and the more I looked at her the worse I felt about her. I said as much, and I gave reasoning for why I felt the way I did. If I was Morphanoia, I would have known she was innocent. I probably would have thrown an insubstantial vote on someone I was more suspicious earlier in the day on say... Eomer. That way I have a throwaway that isn't a, you know, obvious throwaway. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE I COULD MENTION *COUGH*WILLYWUFIKINS*COUGH*. Yes, it sucks she was the seer. Yes, I was wrong. But honestly nothing else made more sense to me at the moment, and her explanation for the differentiation between her suspect list and her vote of lottie for lottie's asking others to come along and vote just did not sit well with me. On the Note of Lottie: I am very much inclined to think her innocent at the moment, simply based on the fact she didn't have to push for BG for the lynch, nor does she right now have to be stopping (or trying at least) the lynch of an innocent. Overall, she's doing more genuine analysis than I remember from her wolf counterpart, who was rather happy to let things progress how they were going. I'm also having a hard time reading Zul as a wolf, as since BG seemed like a sure thing at the end of yesterday, he'd have no reason to just come and vote her without a word; Now, this isn't to say he might not have done that as a sneaakkky gambit to say "well as a wolf I wouldn't do that" but... it feels doubtful at the moment. WIth all of this in mind, my vote is going to ++Willowuffyfluffykins, also known as Wilwarin. Should I get lynched in the interrim, I'm laying down my suspicions as Pitch, Wilwarin, and Zul as a possibility. I am uneasy about Izzy but I don't feel too bad about her at the moment. I believe Shasta, Lottie, and Rikae as town. Also, yes my accusation of Rikae in my first post was meant as a joke, both in poking fun at how high strung I was my first game and as a bit of hypocritical humor. I didn't think I'd have to explain this... but there you go. |
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See, I tend to trust Noia a bit more from this post. After reading this, I want him to be lynched even less. So, I'd like an Izzy or Wilwa lynch a lot better. Sally forth, townsfolk, and please tell me which you'd prefer. (I just wanted to use the word Sally in a non-Sally related context. ![]() Noia, by the way, I was amused by your first post, especially the "twitching for a full hour." ![]()
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x/d with Wilwa. Bandwagon, anyone?
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You can, but I can't?
And it's the second vote of the day, I wouldn't call it bandwaggoning. I do actually find him suspicious, maybe not the most, but I'm not going to vote for someone that I'm pretty positive won't be getting lynched, I would rather not waste my vote like I did yesterDay. All the bandwaggoners got off fairly clean toDay, but the person who didn't bandwaggon and voted a wolf is suspicious. Now I do what ya'll did yesterDay and I look bad? You have to see I'm in a very frustrating position here. x'ed with Lottie
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