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Tuor in Gondolin · 05-29-2010, 02:09 PM

I actually like the way Arwen was used in FotR as a
sort of ZenaArwen (rather sexy and gave her more to do and generally
kept Glorfindel's actions intact). But minus points for not having Frodo speak to
the Black Riders at the Ford of Bruinen:

Quote:

By Elbereth and Luthien the Fair,
you shall have neither the Ring nor me.

Five worst bits
1) Gandalf physically assaults the Stewart (against the specific
ban on the Wizards interfering (see Unfinished Tales).
2) Screwing up my favorite LotR character (Faramir).
3) The Green Slime at the Pelennor Fields (makes pointless the
whole charge of the Rohirrim which, of course, was probably why
Tolkien limited the Army of the Dead actions).
4) The inept way PJ portrayed the charge of the Rohirrim. Instead
of in broad daylight it should have been like the book, start it in
dark, have Theoden give a bit of his book speech:

Quote:

Arise, arise, Riders of Theoden
Fell deeds awake, fire and slaughter,
Spears shall be shaken, shields splintered,
Ride now, ride now, ride to Gondor!

He takes horn from Guthlaf and blows on it,
then charges ahead of the Eotheod as the sun begins to
come out and shines brightly on his shield.
5) The ridiculous way Merry and Pippin tricked Treebeard into
going to Orthanc. Why not have the ents vote to go there
and recite their marching song en route?

mormegil · 05-29-2010, 04:50 PM

Fair points Tuor on the Army of the Dead. That does annoy me and I had forgotten it. I would replace the shield surfing scene with that in order of things that bother me.

Morsul the Dark · 05-30-2010, 11:58 AM

1) Elves at Helm's Deep
2) Aragorn doesn't have the shards with him.
3)Frodo stamping out the fire at Weathertop
4)sends Sam away
5)(I know it's a difficult to portray on film but....)Frodo is WAAAY too whiny

Tuor in Gondolin · 05-30-2010, 12:30 PM

Quote:

5)(I know it's a difficult to portray on film but....)Frodo is WAAAY too whiny

Compunded by Agent Elrond intimating to Gandalf that movie Frodo
has performed so well getting to Rivendell. (In the movie, exactly how?)

mormegil · 05-31-2010, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

3)Frodo stamping out the fire at Weathertop

I know that this does not happen but I'm curious as to why this would be on your top 5 list as it seems rather minor.

05-29-2010, 04:50 PM	#2
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	Fair points Tuor on the Army of the Dead. That does annoy me and I had forgotten it. I would replace the shield surfing scene with that in order of things that bother me. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

05-30-2010, 11:58 AM	#3
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	1) Elves at Helm's Deep 2) Aragorn doesn't have the shards with him. 3)Frodo stamping out the fire at Weathertop 4)sends Sam away 5)(I know it's a difficult to portray on film but....)Frodo is WAAAY too whiny