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Urwen · 05-10-2010, 10:21 AM

You know,I think you should know that Ulmo and his bros and sises work for the One. Therefore,they all have power to transform...

Nerwen · 05-10-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

You know,I think you should know that Ulmo and his bros and sises work for the One. Therefore,they all have power to transform...

...dead human kiddies into Maiar? Uh-uh. Doesn't fit into Tolkien's cosmology at all.

This works no better than your endowing Lalaith with superhuman strength: you can't win by just making up abilities for the characters.

Besides, you still haven't said how any of this would have helped Lalaithberry kill Glaurung.

Loslote · 05-10-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

What river god? Why is he able to transform dead human children into beings of a completely different order?

Besides, this in no way explains how Lalaith is to achieve any of her goals. Or have you given up on them?

Actually, there is a precedent. Ulmo did turn Elwing into a seagull briefly. Hey, there's a thought! Maybe Lalaith is one of the geese!

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It's a bit far-fetched to say Goldberry chose Tom... Quite the contrary, it could be argued Tom took her by force (can't post any quotes though since I don't have The Adventures of Tom Bombadil here). Just saying.

Maybe Lalaith is very manipulative and just made Bombadil think he'd chosen her. Or she's quirky.

Nerwen · 05-11-2010, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Actually, there is a precedent. Ulmo did turn Elwing into a seagull briefly. Hey, there's a thought! Maybe Lalaith is one of the geese!

Yes, there's a number of precedents for shapeshifting– that's not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Loslote

Maybe Lalaith is very manipulative and just made Bombadil think he'd chosen her. Or she's quirky.

Well, she was all set to marry Beleg at the age of three...

skip spence · 05-11-2010, 01:36 AM

What in the name of Morgoth is this thread?

Estelyn Telcontar · 05-11-2010, 02:29 AM

For skip and all who would echo your question:

The Downs forum is usually quite well sorted - serious topics in the Books forum, funny stuff in Mirth. However, there is a history of threads which started one way and then turned to the other. Those are not as easy to categorize. This thread has taken several turns, and as a result, has been moved more than once. It now resides here for the amusement of those who are posting and reading - enjoy, or ignore if you prefer!

satansaloser2005 · 05-11-2010, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

What in the name of Morgoth is this thread?

Hehehe. I'm not entirely sure either.

*pats poor Esty and prepares an offering to the Chat Skwerls*

Pitchwife · 05-11-2010, 12:15 PM

Much to my own surprise, I feel moved to defend Urwen on the question of Lalaithberry's transformation. Back in BoLT, Turin and Nienor(i) were said to have been purified in Fôs 'Almir, the Bath of the Flame, after their death and counted among the Valar afterwards. Most likely this early conception was long abandoned by the time Tolkien wrote the Narn, but it shows that the idea of a similar posthumous fate for their sister is not as utterly un-Tolkienian as it seems at first sight.

Eorl of Rohan · 05-11-2010, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by skip spence

What in the name of Morgoth is this thread?

You heard Nerwen. A thread about giant mutant space ponies and one dead shapeshifting human lass.
Is it just me or does the mention of Lalaith's possible quirkiness and the geese remind one of "Leda and the Swan" by Yeats?

05-10-2010, 10:21 AM	#1
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	You know,I think you should know that Ulmo and his bros and sises work for the One. Therefore,they all have power to transform... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-11-2010, 01:36 AM	#5
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	What in the name of Morgoth is this thread? __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

05-11-2010, 02:29 AM	#6
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Moderator's note: For skip and all who would echo your question: The Downs forum is usually quite well sorted - serious topics in the Books forum, funny stuff in Mirth. However, there is a history of threads which started one way and then turned to the other. Those are not as easy to categorize. This thread has taken several turns, and as a result, has been moved more than once. It now resides here for the amusement of those who are posting and reading - enjoy, or ignore if you prefer! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

05-11-2010, 12:15 PM	#8
Pitchwife Wight of the Old Forest Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Unattended on the railway station, in the litter at the dancehall Posts: 3,329	Much to my own surprise, I feel moved to defend Urwen on the question of Lalaithberry's transformation. Back in BoLT, Turin and Nienor(i) were said to have been purified in Fôs 'Almir, the Bath of the Flame, after their death and counted among the Valar afterwards. Most likely this early conception was long abandoned by the time Tolkien wrote the Narn, but it shows that the idea of a similar posthumous fate for their sister is not as utterly un-Tolkienian as it seems at first sight. __________________ Und aus dem Erebos kamen viele seelen herauf der abgeschiedenen toten.- Homer, Odyssey, Canto XI