Did Maedhros kill Laughter? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Pitchwife · 04-29-2010, 07:06 AM

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Not exactly. She could look in Niniel's eyes instead of Glaurung's. There's no need for her to look in Glaurungs eyes, only to prevent their eye contact. And for that,she is allowed to turn her back on Glaurung.

Turn her back on Glaurung?

Are you sure that's entirely wise? Really?

No, but I suppose she could have kept an eye on Glaurung in a mirror (which would render his gaze harmless) while drawing the Sword of Gryffindor from Niniel's garter...

Urwen · 04-29-2010, 08:13 AM

Hah. You know nothing.....

Lalaith and Nienor on Amon Ethir. Glaurung comes.

Lalaith:Sister, what is this?

Nienor:It's dragon of a foul one. Run!

Lalaith: No ned to run,sister. Watch...

Lalaith gets out a flask of water from river Gulduin and extends it to Glaurung.

Lalaith:It's harmless.

Glaurung drinks and falls into slumber. Lalaith and her sister sneak away quietly...

Beat this cunning!

Nerwen · 04-29-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Hah. You know nothing.....

Lalaith and Nienor on Amon Ethir. Glaurung comes.

Lalaith:Sister, what is this?

Nienor:It's dragon of a foul one. Run!

Lalaith: No ned to run,sister. Watch...

Lalaith gets out a flask of water from river Gulduin and extends it to Glaurung.

Oh. If you refer to the stream in Mirkwood, may I remind you that it lies around fifteen hundred miles to the east of Lalaith's current location, with a couple of rather impressive mountain ranges in between, and that it quite possibly isn't even enchanted yet?

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Lalaith:It's harmless.

Glaurung drinks and falls into slumber. Lalaith and her sister sneak away quietly...

Beat this cunning!

Welll... I can't say I'd find it easy to deal with a real live dragon myself. But I'll tell you what, my very first step would be to reject out of hand any plan that relied on the dragon's being a complete nitwit. Seems just a trifle over-optimistic.

In other word: how did she get the water, and why did he drink it?

Over to you.

Shastanis Althreduin · 04-29-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nerwen

Oh. If you refer to the stream in Mirkwood, may I remind you that it lies around fifteen hundred miles to the east of Lalaith's current location, with a couple of rather impressive mountain ranges in between, and that it quite possibly isn't even enchanted yet?

Welll... I can't say I'd find it easy to deal with a real live dragon myself. But I'll you what, my very first step would be to reject out of hand any plan that relied on the dragon's being a complete nitwit. Seems just a trifle over-optimistic.

In other word: how did she get the water, and why did he drink it?

Over to you.

Right, so I'm mainly here to be a Nerwen cheerleader.

Goooo Nerwen!

Urwen · 04-29-2010, 11:47 AM

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I think not, my young friend. You will find the fragment Narn i Gwilwileth Luin in Part 4 of The History of Middle Earth, Volume 10, as part of Note 12(b) to the long metaphysical dialogue Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth.

Prove it. Give me that text here and I'll believe you.

*crosses arms,waits*

mormegil · 04-29-2010, 01:00 PM

I'm sending this thread to Novice and Newcomers as it doesn't really belong in Mirth.

Nogrod · 04-29-2010, 01:39 PM

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I'm sending this thread to Novice and Newcomers as it doesn't really belong in Mirth.

Where next? Haudh-en-Ndengin, the lost topics?

Nerwen · 04-30-2010, 05:15 AM

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I think not, my young friend. You will find the fragment Narn i Gwilwileth Luin in Part 4 of The History of Middle Earth, Volume 10, as part of Note 12(b) to the long metaphysical dialogue Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth.

Prove it. Give me that text here and I'll believe you.

*crosses arms,waits*

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Finrod sighed, "Aye, adaneth, but many are the chances of this world, and hope or ruin may turn on the flap of a butterfly's wings."

"These are dark sayings," said Andreth. "Ye Eldar speak ever in riddles."

"Nay," said Finrod, "for foresight is given to me of many things, though seldom of joy. I beheld as a vision that a choice will come to a girl-child, the first-born daughter of a great warrior of the folk of Hador Lórindol and Adanel the Wise, whether to destroy a fair blue butterfly that resteth on the grass before her. For if she but let it live, in time to come one of its kin shall flit before the eyes of her sister and deliver her from the malice of the Dragon who would ensnare her; yet if she put forth her foot to crush it, her sister will be lost and grief beyond telling come upon her house.

'And I fear that the Marrer, working even through the whim of this child...'

HoMe X Part IV: Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth. This is a fragment, included in the appendix only, as it becomes indecipherable after this point, and it's not clear how Tolkien intended it to fit into the main text of the Athrabeth, or even if he did.

Urwen · 04-30-2010, 05:32 AM

Haahhaaa. If it's first-born,as Finrod says,then it can't be Lalaith,because if you have any knowledge you'll know that Turin was first-born, Lalaith second-born and Nienor third born of hin Hurin!

Urwen · 05-16-2010, 05:59 AM

The point is that Morgoth couldn't afford losing his best henchman,so he'll surely undo his curse.And without the curse,Turin and Nienor will be saved.

Which takes care of Lalaith's first goal...

Urwen · 05-16-2010, 01:34 PM

'And I fear that the Marrer, working even through the whim of this child...'

WHAT? Morgoth working through Lalaith?!

He, she and me are angry at you for even thinking that!

Urwen · 05-16-2010, 02:07 PM

Yeah-short life.That's where the trouble lies...

She could have lived normal lifespan and went to the Void peacefully.Oh,yes, she could,were it not for some killer who all of you think awesome...

Galadriel55 · 10-27-2010, 05:27 PM

Urwen, I understand that you will defend Lalaith by any means, and so would I - but don't blame Maedhros for her death! It's not like he took a sword and chopped her in half. If you ask me, it was Morgoth's fault, since it was his evil spell that made so many people sick. If you still blame Maedhros, you've also got to blame the people who told Morgoth about the plans of the elves. AND you have to blame Thingol, Odroreth (I know I got the name wrong - I mean Finrod's brother) and other Elven kings for sending so little troops. If that's still not enough blaming, blame the Valar (ie Mandos) for cursing every deed of Noldor, blame Feanor for making the Silmarili, blame Yavanna for creating the Trees whose light is the reason for the Silmarils to be so beautiful, blame Eru for creating his Children who would then kill each other... Well, you can't really blame anyone above Eru, so I'll have to stop at that. Do you see my point? Morgoth is the most direct and relevant cause for Lalaith's death, and it's not Maedhros's fault that the epidemic came at this specific time and killed this specific girl.

PS: the butterfly incident could happen to anyone - it was also an accident. If you want to prevent a thing like that, you have to spend your whole life in bed.

04-29-2010, 08:13 AM	#2
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Hah. You know nothing..... Lalaith and Nienor on Amon Ethir. Glaurung comes. Lalaith:Sister, what is this? Nienor:It's dragon of a foul one. Run! Lalaith: No ned to run,sister. Watch... Lalaith gets out a flask of water from river Gulduin and extends it to Glaurung. Lalaith:It's harmless. Glaurung drinks and falls into slumber. Lalaith and her sister sneak away quietly... Beat this cunning! __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-29-2010, 01:00 PM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I'm sending this thread to Novice and Newcomers as it doesn't really belong in Mirth. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

04-30-2010, 05:32 AM	#9
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Haahhaaa. If it's first-born,as Finrod says,then it can't be Lalaith,because if you have any knowledge you'll know that Turin was first-born, Lalaith second-born and Nienor third born of hin Hurin! __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-16-2010, 05:59 AM	#10
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The point is that Morgoth couldn't afford losing his best henchman,so he'll surely undo his curse.And without the curse,Turin and Nienor will be saved. Which takes care of Lalaith's first goal... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-16-2010, 01:34 PM	#11
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	'And I fear that the Marrer, working even through the whim of this child...' WHAT? Morgoth working through Lalaith?! He, she and me are angry at you for even thinking that! __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

05-16-2010, 02:07 PM	#12
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Yeah-short life.That's where the trouble lies... She could have lived normal lifespan and went to the Void peacefully.Oh,yes, she could,were it not for some killer who all of you think awesome... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

10-27-2010, 05:27 PM	#13
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,488	Urwen, I understand that you will defend Lalaith by any means, and so would I - but don't blame Maedhros for her death! It's not like he took a sword and chopped her in half. If you ask me, it was Morgoth's fault, since it was his evil spell that made so many people sick. If you still blame Maedhros, you've also got to blame the people who told Morgoth about the plans of the elves. AND you have to blame Thingol, Odroreth (I know I got the name wrong - I mean Finrod's brother) and other Elven kings for sending so little troops. If that's still not enough blaming, blame the Valar (ie Mandos) for cursing every deed of Noldor, blame Feanor for making the Silmarili, blame Yavanna for creating the Trees whose light is the reason for the Silmarils to be so beautiful, blame Eru for creating his Children who would then kill each other... Well, you can't really blame anyone above Eru, so I'll have to stop at that. Do you see my point? Morgoth is the most direct and relevant cause for Lalaith's death, and it's not Maedhros's fault that the epidemic came at this specific time and killed this specific girl. PS: the butterfly incident could happen to anyone - it was also an accident. If you want to prevent a thing like that, you have to spend your whole life in bed. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera