WW LXXV: It's Always Tea Time Here

[Nogrod]

(~~~) *grin emerging*

I'm joining the crowd begging for "real names" to be used (there's no problem using the character names but please include the player-name as well). Shasta's post was basically unreadable.

Originally Posted by Off with their heads-Agan

I was honestly expecting people would jump on my comment like 'You there are you trying to undermine the seer's authority and sow discord, you're a wolf!'

I wouldn't have gone that far but it did look somewhat disconcerting to be honest - and I'm not so sure what to think of it. I mean basically you said that a) go for the cobbler, and b) don't trust people the seer says are innocent. Okay. There has been a lot of talk this way and that way about the chances of making a difference between a wolf and a cobbler (or neither of them with an ordo or a gifted, I might add) so it's basically a hypothetical scenario to get to "choose" between one or the other. But why would you say something like that in the first place if you were a wolf? Then again, why say something like that whatever your role? I mean it's hard to see that kind of problem being in any sense actual toDay. So you said it for the sake of saying it rather than trying to help us in something we should accomplish or we should avoid? So you're more concerned about your image then?

Originally Posted by His Majesty Inzil

That vote should receive some scrutiny

How do you "scrutinise" winwin's vote? Some they think this is making a monutain out of a molehill (and it wouldn't be the first time I'm being accused of it ), but to me this is one of the most noteworthy comments as yet. Now why? Well, obvioulsy that is a comment totally devoid of any real meaning but it is something you might think looks good in a situation you have no intention to do what you say should be done (if you really thought of doing what you suggested you'd soon realise there isn't much to scrutinise there). So what I'm trying to say is that a wolf might make that kind of statement to look helpful but I can't see an innocent to say that.

Originally Posted by Duchess Lottie

Just so you know, I wrote those before I got my role.

Interesting. And what should that prove? It's not so much about when you wrote that piece of ambiguity, but what was your role when you decided it was a good way to start posting?

(~~~) *grin vanishing*

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Interesting. And what should that prove? It's not so much about when you wrote that piece of ambiguity, but what was your role when you decided it was a good way to start posting?

Still unknown - I wrote that mainly for IC posting, as I didn't know much about the Duchess other than that she sang that awesome little song.

EDIT: xed with Greenie and Agan

[Aganzir]

Greenie's last post moves her up towards my Innocent list because I agree with her (actually about everything) and she calls me lovely. However I wonder too if I should be worried that I don't suspect her, because usually when I do she's innocent.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

Meaning that s/he (which is it, by the way?)

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Lottie's analysis post was interesting, but I found the "gut feeling"-thing slightly eyebrow-raising. The so-called gut feelings were mostly reasoned points, so why call them gut feelings? It just struck me that calling a point a mere gut feeling kind of lessens the responsibility over it - one can, later, claim it was just a gut feeling, not my fault that we lynched an innocent, whoops.

1. He. WW is a he.

2. Good point, actually, I hadn't thought of that. Okay then, my *points against those people* are *look back 'cause I don't want to waste time copy/pasting*

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Innocent
Inzil. I agree with him about winty's vote and thus far he hasn't given me a reason to suspect him.
Lommy. I like her and she's reasonable and has a nice fluffy nose.
skip. I'm just so darn happy he's playing at last that I wouldn't vote for him today even if he revealed he was a wolf. Thus far he hasn't given much of a reason for me to worry though.
Legate. Alright enough.
Brinniel. There's always something about her style that makes me suspect her, however I don't find her overly suspicious at the moment and I approve of her trying to take the discussion out of IC banter.
Nienna. I don't think we've ever got past day 1 with both of us being alive, so just because of that I'll refrain from voting for her today. But she seems innocent enough anyway.

Guilty
Mira. Suspecting newbies is just way too easy, and at the same time she clears Fea's vote (despite the 'on a more serious note' start, the whole comment looked like a joke though).
Morsul. I don't like his reasoning, he seems way too quick to jump to conclusions. But maybe it's just his style. Out of curiosity, how many games have you actually played in, Morsul?
Lottie. I didn't really see any issue with Lottie's earlier behaviour (granted I just skimmed through her first posts because I was in a hurry and didn't think they contained anything very important). However I disagree with her later comments on people - although I don't know if it's because of the content or the style they're written. And that moves her from Nonsense onto the Guilty list. It feels sort of weird that she should make an analysis of a player (Glirdy) who has only posted some random IC banter, like, who makes an analysis on day 1 when there's so little to go on? And hahaha it's sort of grotesque to use the abbreviations WW and SS for the newbies.

Nonsense
Glirdy. Content? Where's the actual content?
Nog. The first one to say he was uneasy about Lottie's behaviour, wasn't he? For relatively little reason, I think ("infamous mode of "no bad person, even insane one, would do that kind of a thing").
winty. Newbie so I won't vote for her/him today. I think people read too much into his/her vote.
sally. Content? Where's the actual content?
Shasta. It's a worse welcome than voting that you suspect me because of my natural lynch-happiness.
Fea. I'm alright with her vote.
Green. She's another one whose tone always sets me off and I always think she's too laid-back to have the village's best interests in mind, but so far I don't havean opinion of her.
Nerwen. I think her reaction to winty's vote was exaggerated and it looks as if she was looking for an easy lynch, but Nerwen and I also have a history of being on each other's throats (usually it starts with me on Nerwen's throat) so I'm going to wait for more evidence (like the word terrible ) before making a judgement.

Non-show
Boro
Isabell

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I'm most likely going to vote for either Morsul or Mira today.

*cough*suspects Agan now 'cause she's almost EXACTLY opposite all of my thoughts*cough*

Although I do agree about Nerwen and Zil. *shrugs*

Plus, I do best looking through IC banter. That's how I found Nerwolf and Wolfwa in Morsul's game. In my mind, IC counts.

EDIT: xed since my last

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Loslote

2. Good point, actually, I hadn't thought of that. Okay then, my *points against those people* are *look back 'cause I don't want to waste time copy/pasting*

Well that's really a bit too easy (as Lommy already pointed out too).

I could of course also wonder about:

1. He. WW is a he.

Like "and where might you know that from, Nightly talks perchance?" although you probably have another explanation for that... or do you? (Only a totally stupid Wolf would, however, do that. Which makes me think that, if this does not have any logical explanation, you might be a Cobbler wanting us to think you are a Wolf and knowing it - thus making a blind shot - which would be funnily underlined now if WW said "I am a she", nah but whatever, I assume this is useless speculation as you probably have an explanation.)

*cough*suspects Agan now 'cause she's almost EXACTLY opposite all of my thoughts*cough*

Don't Cobblers usually try to think in the exactly opposite ways than normal people?

Anyway, all in all... doesn't make it better. I will be around for a while yet, but my main suspect is here already.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I don't think Morsul is a problem, I can see where is he coming from, and it's a totally classical Morsul, after all.

Ookay I've never played with Morsul before so I don't know how he's supposed to behave, but I don't like him nonetheless and he's still a candidate for my vote.

I think Greenie and Legate and Lommy do have a point about Lottie and I might vote for her too but then again I'm unsure because I don't know her style.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

although you probably have another explanation for that... or do you?

I seem to recall seeing her post on Facebook, trying to convince TGEW to join and telling that if she did three Alaskans would be playing... so I assume that's the explanation.

Don't Cobblers usually try to think in the exactly opposite ways than normal people?

Hahaha thanks!

And yeah sally you need to read closer because I'm not going to go through the pains of explaining it all again to you.

[Aganzir]

Lommy that's unfair you know how much I like crows!

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

So if the seer dreams of a player and gets the result 'innocent' then do they not know whom the Cobbler is? Or is it meant to say ordo?

I think in this case innocent = ordo. Both are seen as ordos.

You can't blame the seer entirely if the rest of the village decides to take them at their word.

That's true and that's why everybody should remember that a seer-dreamed innocent is not necessarily innocent after all...

Anyway Izzie seems innocent enough.

Morsul if everyone else calls your 'scientific method' knee-jerk, have you perchance thought there might be something wrong with your definition?

Now I'll go brew some mint leaves and will be soon back to vote.

[Isabellkya]

Well the Cursed said Ord and the Cobbler said innocent. Wasn't entirely sure whether it was a clerical error, or meant to be specific.

[Morsul the Dark]

Had this argument last time maybe I should do this "so and so "FEELS" off" somehow acceptable me seeing something I find odd and pointing it out that's weird?

Anywho... No one pops out want to vote agan... but won't because That Would be knee jerk... I do have to vote soon though

(Responding to post 80 forgot to quote it.)

[Thinlómien]

There's something wrong with Lottie. She's talking too much, and of wrong things. Greenie had a fair point and Lottie admitted it was a good point but didn't explain herself or anything... the way she admitted Greenie had a point was definitely weird, I got the feeling "um yes you noticed my wolvish mistake, I admit it". Relatively new players as wolves tend to take suspicion very humbly, and Lottie's doing exactly that now.

I like Agan currently so much that she's probably guilty. Her calling me innocent would also speak for that.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Lommy is acting purposefully mysterious which strikes me as weird - she's having this manner of "I know something you others don't, let's see if I care to share it!" I don't quite know what to make of it, it's not usual her but then I'm not sure if it's necessarily suspicious either.

Darling, I already explained it.

Not having much thoughts really... and I should vote. Maybe a list...


edit: xed with pillar and mouse

[Thinlómien]

Eagles
Agan - makes sense and is reasonable, puts effort to the game. Seems genuine enough.
Inzil - seems less careful than as a wolf.
Shasta - gives good vibes but could talk more.
Legate - seems good and last time he was a wolf I guessed it on Day1 so I'm not worried (yet).
Skip - seems like careful but honest newbie trying to figure out how this game is played.
Greenie - seems like her normal innocent self.

Crows
Glirdy - lots of banter, little substance = typical early Day1 Glirdy but slightly annoying.
Nogrod - his manner with all this creeping and grinning disturbs me but otherwise he's ok.
Winty - newbie a bit lost in this environment. Let's hope he gets a hang on this.
Boro - I'll be able to judge him once he posts more!
Izzy - no show.
Sally - is crazy.
Nerwen - is Nerwen.
Fea - should put more effort to this game.
Brinn - no vibes, no opinion.

Chickens
Mira - Agan had good points against her, and she's made me feel uneasy earlier.
Lottie – see my previous post.
Morsul – don't like his kneejerkiness.
Nienna – her weird early suspicion of Lottie made me wary.

++Lottie

she just looks the worst atm.

Good n/Night!


edit: xed with everybody
edit2: my bad, I didn't actually x with Legate, I've seen that post before!

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

In general I agree with the remark, just seems to me however that Inzil just mentions it, but does not contribute much own thoughts on the Fea-issue himself, even though he thinks it "should" (emphasised) receive some scrutiny. Inzil doesn't seem to be very elaborative in any matter, however. The question however might be why is that. He's rather more... "quiet" than usually.

That wasn't a reference to Fea's vote: it was a response to Queen Agan saying Nerwen was possibly looking for an easy lynch with ww. I don't think Fea's vote worth much discussion because, as some have said, this is Fea we're talking about.
As for my 'quietness', I'm at work, and will remain so for the next few hours.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Thanks for saving my voice and speaking my thoughts aloud, dear husband.

Credit it with years of ruling packs of playing cards together.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

How do you "scrutinise" winwin's vote? Some they think this is making a monutain out of a molehill (and it wouldn't be the first time I'm being accused of it ), but to me this is one of the most noteworthy comments as yet. Now why? Well, obvioulsy that is a comment totally devoid of any real meaning but it is something you might think looks good in a situation you have no intention to do what you say should be done (if you really thought of doing what you suggested you'd soon realise there isn't much to scrutinise there). So what I'm trying to say is that a wolf might make that kind of statement to look helpful but I can't see an innocent to say that.

Really? I was saying I didn't fault Nerwen for questioning ww's vote, after Agan thought Nerwen could be wolfy for calling it into question, and that's suspicious? I certainly would say you're up to some mountain-building, Mr. Cat.
As for what I meant by 'scrutiny', I would at least like an explanation for the vote, beyond the character name.
However, I'd already said I was going to let ww slide toDay. I do find your comments on this interesting, though.

x/d with all since Nog

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Good to see the Nogcat being alive and kicking <= yeah, I guess that's him... it even says "Big Grin" at mouse-over.

Anyway... as for the Agan thing, I don't see a problem with that. She gave an overall warning now, so that we know it for the future and don't drag a Cobbler along for too dangerously long. Why not to say that if it occured to her now, and for that matter, I don't think it's undermining Seer's authority, but just warning the Seer and the others about the fact that they can't be 100% sure, but still, Seer is a Seer. Point.

Okay, now I see I am basically crossposting (I have refreshed the page and read what's up), so... some thoughts on people who haven't been posting that much earlier: I don't think Morsul is a problem, I can see where is he coming from, and it's a totally classical Morsul, after all. Who worries me is Fea, not because of her vote, but because of her almost zero participation. Zero participation comes also from Borogroves and Isabellkya, however they in contrary to Fea haven't been around at all. Anyway, what - or who - worries me really the most now is however Lottie. Starting with nothing, continuing with weird half-funny, half-serious-or-is-it? posting, makes me think of Cobbler quite clearly. For that matter, I am actually willing to accept Agan's advice and vote her toDay, as she looks the most evil of all people toDay. Even if she is just a Cobbler, a good shot (and one thing less to worry about). Greenie's last post also worried me a bit, like her slight touch of suspicion of Lommy sounds like somewhat not-carefully-enough copypasted thing from what I have said about Lommy earlier - and which has been clarified meanwhile (as in: could be a Wolf carelessly copying one random concern that has been voiced earlier, on the other hand, it feels a bit weird to imagine Greenie doing that so carelessly). Anyway, like I said, Lottie is my primary suspect now (and I'm probably going to vote soon).

EDIT: eurgh. x-ed with dozens... since Agan #62, so with some sallys, Lotties, Boros , Inzils, more Agans and Lommies and whatnot...

[wilwarin538]

Originally Posted by Loslote

That's how I found Nerwolf and Wolfwa in Morsul's game.

Nerwolf and Wolfwa = epic win

[satansaloser2005]

I obviously need to read closer. What is all this seer nonsense?



Also, glad to see that Lommie agrees with me on Lottie. (Oooo, try saying that ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast ten times fast .) Makes me feel not quite as crazy. And a little sleepy, for that matter....


EDIT: x'd with Legate

[Morsul the Dark]

Legate I love you for actually getting my point even if you disagree

Have to read more in depth though have to vote shortly.

And why am I always classified with "Knee-Jerk" reactions? I see something I form a hypothesis everyone calls it "knee-jerk" I call it Scientific method

Taughtus Taught us that!

ok reading

[Boromir88]

Not liking the Lottie votes. So, Fea comes in and makes a random vote, lets excuse that and go along with her for no apparent reason. Not liking how Mira defends the vote either.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Either the voters are using their one time retractable votes in silly posts(therefore wasting them) or they'll later say when voting an innocent "I realized they were innocent After voting but could do nothing about it...sorry.

++Glirdan

Will I retract? Probably. Would it be a waste of the 1 retract? No. I like dumping them soon, so I can actually put my votes to best uses. Retracts give a reason to not make the best vote, as it's kind of like...these are here in case you get get careless and mess up.

I expect Fea to retract, and have some reason for the vote? Will she tell us? Probably not. Does it matter? Not really. Is she a wolf? Dunno.